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Yes!
Maybe even try to let us customize more the face, like, cheek width, cheekbones, nose(lenght, width and size), eye size, mouth, ears, if possible!

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Racial distinction/uniqueness is VERY high up in the list for me. I do not like that in a world with such racial diversity most races look like a human. Elves and Dwarves are the ones that need the most attention in that regard.

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My issue with that kind of justification for not including those facial types is that it means a lot of players can't make characters that look like them. I love lore, I believe that lore considerations should be an important factor in both the story and mechanics of a game. But I think that those considerations should come second to player engagement and enjoyment. So having more diverse facial features within the game should just be a thing so long as it doesn't break the world. And really, allowing you to make a character that looks like they're from another country than the Sword Coast wouldn't really break the world. If their equivalent of Africans in the setting were for some reason residing in some otherworldly plane and haad been absent for centuries then yes, I think you could make a better case for not including corresponding facial features (Though personally I don't think that would be a satisfying case). But here they're just from other countries, it can be handwaved away with ease, it just doesn't have to be mentioned. Yes I'd love if you could dig into the culture of your character in that case but I don't think there needs to be deep justification. Just do it because it'll let more players see themselves in the game and it won't actually matter from a lore perspective because anyone who would find it incongrous just doesn't have to use those features.

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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
My issue with that kind of justification for not including those facial types is that it means a lot of players can't make characters that look like them.


...and there it is: "That argument", and the obvious answer is, as always: Yes? So? It's a role playing game!

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And because it's a roleplaying game, what does it matter if other people are allowed to roleplay characters that share their features? It doesn't impact any players other than them so why argue against its inclusion?

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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
And because it's a roleplaying game, what does it matter if other people are allowed to roleplay characters that share their features? It doesn't impact any players other than them so why argue against its inclusion?


I don't, I already said it could be fine for player characters (and it probably will come in the final game), as long as half ob Baldur's Gate isn't soddenly populated by Shou and Zakharans, I don't see a problem. All I'm saying is, that this kind of "representation" is a half arsed affair at best, and still there is this small handful of people in every game forum these days asking for it... I don't get it.

...but you do you, whatever.

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I was impressed with character creation but I agree with the sentiments here, the guys are all 'chisel chin' and SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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The 'who do you dream of? part I struggled to actually make someone I was attracted to! lol.

Personally I think the game could benefit from just a few sliders and the option to change eye brow and ad lip stick. very small changes make a BIG difference. Kudos ont he har choices though (but I'm white european so...)

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Originally Posted by Goldberry
I've been barking that forever, but we are in a minority here, nobody seems to care, I guess only elf lovers. Elves are NOT supposed to look human, they are stated to appear 'haunting' and 'otherworldly', and it disappoints me the way they've been represented thus far.

I remember the controversy about the elves in DOS2 and in DA2/3. In DOS2 a lot of the criticism was dressed up in that they weren't sufficiently dressed up, but I suspect that in at least some cases it was a pretext for complaining that they weren't basically "pretty humans"; because in DA2/3 they were sufficiently clothed but drew at least as much ire.

I'm sort of half-and-half on the issue: part of me likes the stereotype that is "attractive in an alien way... but mostly just attractive" and part of me thinks "well, they're supposed to be kinda alien to us so they should look like it."

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As for diversity goes, considering there's 5-6 heads per race with only 1 or 2 caucasic looking heads, 1 mixed and the rest looking african or asian (even elves) they're doing a good job at that. Only we have too few faces to choose from atm.

The non-"white" ones are still too many for some. :| But as mentioned a few posts back, I would anticipate there'll be more choice by the time of the full release.


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Hey there! Wanted to make a post on requesting heterochromia myself, but seems like I've already found like-minded people. +1!!


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Just here to chime in that heterochromia is absolutely on my most-wanted list for the character builder. It feels like a simple feature to add -- and it would add so much character to my, er, characters. x)


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Originally Posted by vometia

I remember the controversy about the elves in DOS2 and in DA2/3. In DOS2 a lot of the criticism was dressed up in that they weren't sufficiently dressed up, but I suspect that in at least some cases it was a pretext for complaining that they weren't basically "pretty humans"; because in DA2/3 they were sufficiently clothed but drew at least as much ire


I find that very funny. In DOS2 they managed to make elves feel alien and distinct, and I very much enjoyed them because of that. They even managed to find a way to make cannibalism tasteful -pun intended- in comparison to, per instance, elder scrolls. Meanwhile, dnd has A LOT of lore that goes in depth into elven culture, psychology, emotion, perspective, even diet and clothing and what not, and yet I see none of that represented thus far. All elves I have encountered look and act like they could be humans, and the elf tag dialog options that have popped up for me to pick have all been snobbish and shallow, painting them under a silly light. Except a single wood elf dialog pop up against Kaghra, the Seldarine traitor!


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The non-"white" ones are still too many for some. :| But as mentioned a few posts back, I would anticipate there'll be more choice by the time of the full release.


Yeah, there's... Peculiar people to be found online. I think diversity is good, the more the better. Taking into consideration there's only a few faces to select they've added good diversity thus far, but it's clear that we all want more face choices. My only issue with all of this is some non human races not even trying to reflect their source material. It just feels like Larian does not have any interest in those races at all, so they're half-arsed.


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Please turn off facial hair for female! I hope it's bug...


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Originally Posted by toiko
Please turn off facial hair for female! I hope it's bug...


And all the female dwarf players rallied against you.



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Originally Posted by Goldberry
And all the female dwarf players rallied against you.

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I recall Pratchett describing in some detail the softness of Cheery Littlebottom's beard.


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Originally Posted by vometia
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And all the female dwarf players rallied against you.

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I recall Pratchett describing in some detail the softness of Cheery Littlebottom's beard.


Yea, but Pratchett didn't write in the Realms, did he? wink

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I would like more customization with beards (more of a 5 O'clock beard vs a weeks growth), Tiefling Tail choice (I actually like the tail in 4E - DDO has done this with their Tieflings), Some Tiefling horns with jewelry, etc. on them and maybe Male Hairstyle 4 (for elf at least) to have an alternate without the multiple ties on the ponytail, have it be loose and/or shorter.

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We should definitely have more diversity in the character creator. I think allowing us to customize indivdual features will definitely help with that. DnD is all about creating a unquie character and representing yourself but with the way things are at the moment every character looks like the same small handful of people. Heres some of my suggestions for different options that should be added to the character creator.

Body
-Body weight
-Height

Face
-Eyes
-Nose
-Mouth
-Chin
-Scars
-Accessories (piercings, glasses, eyepatches, etc..)

I really hope larian listens to our feedback. being able to edit our facial features should be the standard in modern RPGs.

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Heyo,

All of the above, but for me the most important thing is adding some short hairstyles please

My "Soldier" has these options:

1. Numerous variations on Fabio
2. One "mange" and/or "radiation sickness"
3. Completely and utterly bald

I need a buzz cut, military-style cut, something professional looking. Very few options look mercenary to me.

Thank you

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Originally Posted by Goldberry
Originally Posted by toiko
Please turn off facial hair for female! I hope it's bug...


And all the female dwarf players rallied against you.



We know very well that there are no women among the dwarves, and these hatch from the stones wink


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Originally Posted by Goldberry
Originally Posted by BrianDavion
As for elves, Elves have their own distinct look, sharp, high cheek bones angular. I don't WANT elves to be reduced to "humans with pointy ears" that cheapens elves


I've been barking that forever, but we are in a minority here, nobody seems to care, I guess only elf lovers. Elves are NOT supposed to look human, they are stated to appear 'haunting' and 'otherworldly', and it disappoints me the way they've been represented thus far.

As for diversity goes, considering there's 5-6 heads per race with only 1 or 2 caucasic looking heads, 1 mixed and the rest looking african or asian (even elves) they're doing a good job at that. Only we have too few faces to choose from atm.


YES thank you both, I thought I was alone in this. As someone who likes making elves, that was one of my biggest hang ups with the character creator. A lot of the full elf options looked way too human (especially the male ones), even more human than the half elves lol.

And I liked that they added heads other than caucasic ones, but once again, they were also too human looking.

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