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Original title: Character creation feels very limited

I love the game so far! But I feel a little underwhelmed by the character creation. I would really like to see some way of customizing the facial features of our character in the final game. Or at least get more head types because the 6 faces that come with each race/gender feel very limiting. I saw a previous post that mentioned a body weight slider. I think that would be a really great feature. But I really hope there will be more in the way of appearance customization in the future since the d&d franchise is so focused the characters that we create.

A body slider would be cool but it might also be painful to add. This way they would have to make every armor piece adjustable to that on top of races that are more...exotic and wild(?). And if there are any cinematics that has to do with interacting with our main character, idk how they would go about doing that around a body slider. Maybe it's easy and doable, im not too knowledgeable in that regard.

A slider might be difficult to add but it would be nice to at least choose between a couple diffrent body types. My biggest concern is the faces because at the moment it feels way too limited for a dnd game. I would like to at least be able to mix and match diffrent facial features to create unique characters.

Considering how often we shall see our protagonist, I think invensting in proper character creation would pay off. Ideally a full on slider extravaganza, and if it's not possible a wealth of pre-made faces and body types to choose from.

I think adding more cosmetic variations could be extremely helpful. Give us levels of beard stubble, different eyebrows, different colored eyes(heterochromia), more makeup options, more tattoos(that don't feel like South LA gang symbols),or even scars. I kept feeling like no matter who I made they were always baby faced.

Agreed to everything. We need some serious customization.

The priority for this is very low, but I hope some suggestion are possible to be implemented in the future of this game. Character Creation is a very important aspect for me. I love making the character my own. So the more options I have, the more I enjoy playing and immersing in the world. I already enjoy the great variety in faces, hair, colors for everything, horns, ... The characters look stunning and I think some of my suggestions might be difficult or impossible to implement, but I don't know.

For example the dwarves and halflings look a bit odd with their big head and body proportions, so I most likely will not create a character for this race. Also the noses for the Githyanki look odd and wrong. They look like shrunken noses that are too narrow with too small nostrils. I saw better looking noses in many drawings. The nose comepletly eliminates them as possible characters for me.

Here are some general suggestions/ideas:

Body types:
- body weight (large, muscular, skinny, ...)
- body height
- body width

Face/Head:
- head size
- burn marks and other marks
- scars
- accessories (earrings, piercings, eyepatch, ...)
- missing one eye/ear
- more tattoos/makeup
- Iris heterochromia

Would definitely like the option for an eyepatch, hook hand, peg leg, musculature/fat control, as well as sliders for hips, bums, breasts, and beard length.

Yes! I agree. I wanted to make my dream lady with a bit more muscle tone, but alas, that is not possible... yet (I hope). What do you think, Larian devs?

I'd love either, to be honest. Slider or body types. Especially for your dream romantic interest.

Hear! Hear!

Give yourself some credit, as I think this not that low priority at all. This game is all about bringing characters to life that you can imagine. I specifically like the option for body types. Especially when it comes to creating your dream romantic interest!

So far loving what Larian is doing with BG3 and also allowing us to give feedback and mold the game.

With DO:S2 I had raised the issue that though there may be multiple fantasy races in the game there wasn't a lot of representation for facial features that represent other earth based ethnicities. Larian seems to be making strides to correct this in BG3 but a lot more should and could be done before the release of this game. I have gone through character creation thoroughly and noticed that besides changing skin.....if you want to be an elf you have to accept the more european looking facial features and even as a human there a very few facial features for asian/indian and african character creation. It would be preferential to have sliders or more "heads" that improve representation in character creation because changing the skin tone but being stuck with a "european" looking character is not really a "custom" character. Bethesda is really good at allowing its players the freedom to truly create characters that represent them because diversity is in the shape of noses, lips, cheek bones and jaws and it would be nice to see Larian make more strides in this direction.

Once again it is night and day between DO:S2 and BG3 but it still is night and day between BG3 and Skyrim/Fallout4 character creation.

My guess is: More is coming there. They did use actual face scans as basis for the character faces, and I doubt all of them are implemented yet, since the selection is rather limited in general right now.

That being said: Again - like in many other games apparently lacking "representation" - you also have to keep the setting in mind. In the Realm's northern/middle Swordcoast, European/Nordic and Arabic/Indian ethnic equivalents are the vast majority of the population, while Asian (Shou-Lung, Kara Tur) and black African (Zakhara) analogues basically are non existing, since their respective countries are far, far away and their people usually don't venture far from home... aside from the odd, wandering Shou monk or southern trader/mercenary, maybe.

As for elves, Elves have their own distinct look, sharp, high cheek bones angular. I don't WANT elves to be reduced to "humans with pointy ears" that cheapens elves

Yeah, it's pretty lacking currently. I think scars are a definite must and I think there should also be overlap with the face scan options. They are all human scans so I don't see why we can't just use some of the Elf options for the Tieflings or whatever.

Body types would be nice too, doesn't need to be slider or triangle-thing, but a small number of options would be cool. Although that will cause armour/clipping issues, as with height and other things.

They will add more options in the future, I'm sure. Just hope there is a barber or something to change some appearance options on an existing save.

The problem with "x racial analogue is too far away from the Sword Coast to be realistically included" is that it makes the assumption that there's no trade from those places - when there absolutely is. Adventurers are always the exceptions, and it's possible that they could be representative of many far flung places. Also, you don't have to go to Zakhara for African analogues, they also come from Chult which is just south across the sea from Calimshan.

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I've been barking that forever, but we are in a minority here, nobody seems to care, I guess only elf lovers. Elves are NOT supposed to look human, they are stated to appear 'haunting' and 'otherworldly', and it disappoints me the way they've been represented thus far.

As for diversity goes, considering there's 5-6 heads per race with only 1 or 2 caucasic looking heads, 1 mixed and the rest looking african or asian (even elves) they're doing a good job at that. Only we have too few faces to choose from atm.

Dwarves have two voices and neither sound like a dwarf. Lets talk about the nice trimmed beards, no thanks. Not one good dwarven beard or hair. As a matter of fact, they share the same as the human. So I know this cant be as intended for opening day...? is it?

Chult is more along the lines of middle and south America... but, as I said, sure, there could be the odd Zakharan trader or Shou monk as a player character, but I would understand when Larian doesn't allow that option for a game set on the northern middle Swordcoast. Besides: Personally, for me, Implementing the looks alone would not really cut it in the first place. Those characters would hail from very different cultures, sporting at least heavily accented common, if they speak it at all, and using completely different figures of speech, references to deities, etc. That's what's often forgotten when people talk about diversity... it's usually not as simple as they make it out to be.

On the elves: I hear ya! Elves should deffinatly not look like caucasians, not even in the Realms. Especially Eladrin (High/Sun Elves) should have: High cheek bones, almond shaped eyes, otherworldy dellicacy of facial features... etc. but I guess - with Larian so very proud of their face scanning job - they just took the easy way there too.

...and finally on the dwarves: Yea, well, they might be called shield dwarves, but they all hail from the Great Rift, if you catch my drift...

Yes!
Maybe even try to let us customize more the face, like, cheek width, cheekbones, nose(lenght, width and size), eye size, mouth, ears, if possible!

Racial distinction/uniqueness is VERY high up in the list for me. I do not like that in a world with such racial diversity most races look like a human. Elves and Dwarves are the ones that need the most attention in that regard.

My issue with that kind of justification for not including those facial types is that it means a lot of players can't make characters that look like them. I love lore, I believe that lore considerations should be an important factor in both the story and mechanics of a game. But I think that those considerations should come second to player engagement and enjoyment. So having more diverse facial features within the game should just be a thing so long as it doesn't break the world. And really, allowing you to make a character that looks like they're from another country than the Sword Coast wouldn't really break the world. If their equivalent of Africans in the setting were for some reason residing in some otherworldly plane and haad been absent for centuries then yes, I think you could make a better case for not including corresponding facial features (Though personally I don't think that would be a satisfying case). But here they're just from other countries, it can be handwaved away with ease, it just doesn't have to be mentioned. Yes I'd love if you could dig into the culture of your character in that case but I don't think there needs to be deep justification. Just do it because it'll let more players see themselves in the game and it won't actually matter from a lore perspective because anyone who would find it incongrous just doesn't have to use those features.

...and there it is: "That argument", and the obvious answer is, as always: Yes? So? It's a role playing game!

And because it's a roleplaying game, what does it matter if other people are allowed to roleplay characters that share their features? It doesn't impact any players other than them so why argue against its inclusion?

I don't, I already said it could be fine for player characters (and it probably will come in the final game), as long as half ob Baldur's Gate isn't soddenly populated by Shou and Zakharans, I don't see a problem. All I'm saying is, that this kind of "representation" is a half arsed affair at best, and still there is this small handful of people in every game forum these days asking for it... I don't get it.

...but you do you, whatever.

I was impressed with character creation but I agree with the sentiments here, the guys are all 'chisel chin' and SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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The 'who do you dream of? part I struggled to actually make someone I was attracted to! lol.

Personally I think the game could benefit from just a few sliders and the option to change eye brow and ad lip stick. very small changes make a BIG difference. Kudos ont he har choices though (but I'm white european so...)

I remember the controversy about the elves in DOS2 and in DA2/3. In DOS2 a lot of the criticism was dressed up in that they weren't sufficiently dressed up, but I suspect that in at least some cases it was a pretext for complaining that they weren't basically "pretty humans"; because in DA2/3 they were sufficiently clothed but drew at least as much ire.

I'm sort of half-and-half on the issue: part of me likes the stereotype that is "attractive in an alien way... but mostly just attractive" and part of me thinks "well, they're supposed to be kinda alien to us so they should look like it."


The non-"white" ones are still too many for some. :| But as mentioned a few posts back, I would anticipate there'll be more choice by the time of the full release.

Hey there! Wanted to make a post on requesting heterochromia myself, but seems like I've already found like-minded people. +1!!

Just here to chime in that heterochromia is absolutely on my most-wanted list for the character builder. It feels like a simple feature to add -- and it would add so much character to my, er, characters. x)

I find that very funny. In DOS2 they managed to make elves feel alien and distinct, and I very much enjoyed them because of that. They even managed to find a way to make cannibalism tasteful -pun intended- in comparison to, per instance, elder scrolls. Meanwhile, dnd has A LOT of lore that goes in depth into elven culture, psychology, emotion, perspective, even diet and clothing and what not, and yet I see none of that represented thus far. All elves I have encountered look and act like they could be humans, and the elf tag dialog options that have popped up for me to pick have all been snobbish and shallow, painting them under a silly light. Except a single wood elf dialog pop up against Kaghra, the Seldarine traitor!




Yeah, there's... Peculiar people to be found online. I think diversity is good, the more the better. Taking into consideration there's only a few faces to select they've added good diversity thus far, but it's clear that we all want more face choices. My only issue with all of this is some non human races not even trying to reflect their source material. It just feels like Larian does not have any interest in those races at all, so they're half-arsed.

Please turn off facial hair for female! I hope it's bug...

And all the female dwarf players rallied against you.

I recall Pratchett describing in some detail the softness of Cheery Littlebottom's beard.

Yea, but Pratchett didn't write in the Realms, did he?

I would like more customization with beards (more of a 5 O'clock beard vs a weeks growth), Tiefling Tail choice (I actually like the tail in 4E - DDO has done this with their Tieflings), Some Tiefling horns with jewelry, etc. on them and maybe Male Hairstyle 4 (for elf at least) to have an alternate without the multiple ties on the ponytail, have it be loose and/or shorter.

We should definitely have more diversity in the character creator. I think allowing us to customize indivdual features will definitely help with that. DnD is all about creating a unquie character and representing yourself but with the way things are at the moment every character looks like the same small handful of people. Heres some of my suggestions for different options that should be added to the character creator.

Body
-Body weight
-Height

Face
-Eyes
-Nose
-Mouth
-Chin
-Scars
-Accessories (piercings, glasses, eyepatches, etc..)

I really hope larian listens to our feedback. being able to edit our facial features should be the standard in modern RPGs.

Heyo,

All of the above, but for me the most important thing is adding some short hairstyles please

My "Soldier" has these options:

1. Numerous variations on Fabio
2. One "mange" and/or "radiation sickness"
3. Completely and utterly bald

I need a buzz cut, military-style cut, something professional looking. Very few options look mercenary to me.

Thank you

We know very well that there are no women among the dwarves, and these hatch from the stones

YES thank you both, I thought I was alone in this. As someone who likes making elves, that was one of my biggest hang ups with the character creator. A lot of the full elf options looked way too human (especially the male ones), even more human than the half elves lol.

And I liked that they added heads other than caucasic ones, but once again, they were also too human looking.

I think you guys are getting hanged up on past iterations of what elves are supposed to look like. This is the official 5e description of elves, which leaves it pretty open as to how they are 'supposed' to look:

Slender and Graceful

With their unearthly grace and fine features, elves appear hauntingly beautiful to humans and members of many other races. They are slightly shorter than humans on average, ranging from well under 5 feet tall to just over 6 feet. They are more slender than humans, weighing only 100 to 145 pounds. Males and females are about the same height, and males are only marginally heavier than females.

Elves’ coloration encompasses the normal human range and also includes skin in shades of copper, bronze, and almost bluish-white, hair of green or blue, and eyes like pools of liquid gold or silver. Elves have no facial and little body hair. They favor elegant clothing in bright colors, and they enjoy simple yet lovely jewelry.

I wholeheartedly agree on the "exotic races should look exotic". Especially elves that currently have very... heavy features. I would NOT guess that's an elf if I didn't see the ears. Some female options are ok, but most don't look "elfy" at all imo.

I must be weird, because I love the DOS2 and DA2 elves. My only issue with them is that DOS2 elves were just so different from Divinity: Dragon Commander Elves that there's no way to reconcile the lore there, and DAI elves weren't DA2 elves (why'd they revert ;_;).


The non-"white" ones are still too many for some. :| But as mentioned a few posts back, I would anticipate there'll be more choice by the time of the full release.[/quote]


Those people can piss off, and their opinions should be not just ignored, but ridiculed.


RE: beards for women: leave it in, it doesn't hurt anything and you don't have to use the option. If you don't like it... well, tough.

...and whipped, and drawn, and quartered ...what!? I'm being helpful! Sheesh...

Yup, "heavy features" is a good description for it.
Even the 5e description posted above states that they are "fine featured" and hauntingly beautiful. So whether or not they're human looking can be up to interpretation, but a lot of the elf options (once again, especially the male heads) weren't particularly fine featured.



ngl, the fact that this was an option was a pleasant surprise. lol Unintentional or not, I also see no harm in leaving it in.

It would be a really nice addition if they add the option to age our character and add blemishes.

Just some ideas to add a bit more variety into the custom character appearance department because coming across NPCs with the same face as myself or another kinda sucks.

I'm wondering if it's possible to:
- Add the option to swap Eye, Nose and Mouth shapes from other Head presets after selecting the Head preset you want initially - just to add a bit more diversity in appearance - especially if there's perhaps a particular element of a face that you just don't like and would otherwise think was perfect if only you could change it. That way you're still working with your assets and not having to create a bunch of new ones... though new ones would be appreciated as well haha
- Is it just the race I picked (Wood Elf) or is there a big difference in the amount of Female hairstyles vs Male hairstyles atm? I'd love more options. If possible, maybe adding a slider that let's you take the fringe of one hairstyle, but pair it with the length/style of another could result in some diverse looks.
- Add an expression tester option to the customizer menu? Just to test how our character will look when emoting.

I don't imagine any of this would/could be done any time soon but if I know that any of them could possibly be on the horizon, that would be amazing!

You are missing key wording of the officiall 5E description. I've pasted it elsewhere, but here it goes:



Likewise, here's official 5e artwork straight from the player handbook:



Granted, the alienness of older iterations is not as pronounced, yet you can see the key features remain there. They have triangular/heartshape heads and features, fine features. It is not so much that I don't want them to look african or asian, I am cool with that, my problem is that they look just like humans, and even worse, their eyes look like they're dazed.

The elves in 5e are just pretty humans with pointy ears. And slender. You are using males with square jaws to compare with the official 5e artwork, but look at the males in that 5e artwork, they don't look far off at all.

I think Larian has to make character creation a priority in the game, and why not right now, as it's the beginning facet of the game--the current choices are very limiting and feel incomplete--but, then, this is an alpha version. I'd like to see as many facial choices as there are hairstyles, etc. Would love to see aging, scaring--the ability to add white/gray hair to the various hairstyles. Some games really get detailed with facial structures--and they were created long before 2020, so it shouldn't be an issue today. I feel like they will add a lot to character creation, but it would be nice to get some supporting feedback on that from Larian. I tend to want to put myself in the game--or at least an idealized version of myself a bit younger--like a character in his 50s, for instance, a little gray hair, a few scars, a few wrinkles, etc...;) As well, the voices need a big boost in variety, imo. I also don't think it would be that difficult to put all the male voices together when creating males--same thing for creating a female with the female voices, etc. Allows the player to focus more intently on creating his character.

I think we are all pretty much unified about this! The color choices for skin and hair and clothes are robust & plentiful right now, imo. And I like the choices of hairstyles a lot--except for some of them--of course...;) But that doesn't mean other people won't like what I don't like, and vice versa. And so on...and so on...ad infinitum...;) Variety is the spice of life, ad nauseam.

The other thing I wanted to add is concerning the facial hair. When I was a kid long eons ago before the birth of Sagittarius, I had a device I loved called an Etch-A-Sketch. You used a magnet to move black iron filings inside a sealed box with gray plastic screen to draw things--anyway, that's what the facial hair currently reminds me of exactly--looks like it was drawn by an Etch-A-Sketch...;) I'm sure that's going to improve...!

Yeah I never understood that, but I'm a short fat geek, why would I expect anyone slaying dragons to look like me?

Also I just sort of expect cosmetic options to look setting approperate. I didn't exactly expect caucasion features on my Jade Empire char. and if a "Oriental adventures" RPG ever came out (god yes please!) I'd likewise expect to be locked to asian features

More variety is always a good thing IMHO. A higher number of face types would be excellent. I would also love to see multiple body types-maybe with some unlocked by your physical stats (Strength, Dexterity & Constitution). More voice types would also be wonderful! I do suspect these will be added in during the EA period.

The few scant pieces of artwork compiled there is hardly conclusive for how all elves should look like.

And that's the issue right now. Just about ALL the male elf heads are square-jawed and super human looking. If they want to keep those that's fine, but I also think it's valid if people want to see more options on the slender/finer-featured side.
The female elf heads and half-elf heads already do pretty well with this. And I mean, there's already a great example in one of their own companion characters, Astarion. I think he's a great blend of having enough elf-like features while still being able to pass as a "pretty human" if you rounded the ears.



I'm Asian myself, and honestly the Asian option just looked...off to me? Would be great for a human male base, but if they want some good inspiration on more elf-like bases they should check out some of those historical Korean/Chinese dramas lol


BUT anyways, onto more general character creation talk, some of the hair options, especially the ones that are pulled back and show the hairline, look kind of like helmets? Like it wasn't properly "glued" down to their foreheads. I think that'll definitely be addressed by the time the full game comes out, but yeah that kind of stood out to me.

And personally I think a lot of the facial issues can be addressed with sliders, but eh I'm fine with default faces too, as I'm sure there'll be more.

More body types would be nice as well!

I don't think I need to mention this since its pretty obvious.

But more Hairs, faces, beards, tattoos and other choices is an obvious thing to ask for and if Larian doesn't add more after a year of more development then I will be incredibly disappointed in them. I mean its the least you could add!
A face and sculpting technology would be AMAZING but I am sure they already thought of it. So its either in development now OR it ain't happening.


Here are my suggestions:
1) Please allow us to have playable orcs/half orcs.
2) Please allow us to have MULTIPLE makeups, just give us more layers to add more makeup.
3) Please allow us to have BODY customization! Muscles, abs or scrawny looks at the very least! Maybe body tattoos like Shadowheart's on the coverpage! Maybe editing body models is too hard but at least custom texture player characters.
4) Please allow us to have jewelry like earings, nose rings, tiefling horn decorations, tiefling horn colors... preferably each race would have at least one or two race specific jewelry like Drow spider earings!
5) Please allow modders to add more character creation sliders and other options. Maybe by doing that the community can try to add near unlimited player choice variations, they just need the framework you can build to provide it.

Thank you for your time

Eddy

I do see it very clearly in the official artwork that I posted, including the male elves, but if you don't then I guess there's nothing more to say.



I'm a latina myself, so I'm mixed race, yet I honestly don't understand why bringing race into fantasy, non human folk (elves, dwarves, hin, gnomes, etc) when they're not supposed to be human. I do not need to see myself represented in an alien race, but whatever floats your boat. Just give us some fantasy too, please, Larian :'D

Can we please not turn this into a "what X fantasy race should look like?" thread?

Who care how people want to present their characters like in this game? Its a single player game, let people do what they want.
Lets make this thread something constructive about what YOU would like to see implemented to make the character you want.

I sincerely hope Larian is making a face sculptor or at least more options and I hope those options are as varied as possible.

I agree with eddiar i think things are straying a bit from the original topic which is how can the character customization system be improved and what would you like to see in it.

I agree that the elves look very 'heavy' as someone said before. Most faces (at least for male characters) look very... extreme.
I would be grateful for more options, especially more androgynous faces or at least some that are simply less extreme.

Would also love to see scars. Most companions have them, why can't we? I dream of being able to pick a tag for scars as well, which could trigger conversations such as 'How did you get that scar?' but I know, that's only a dream.

Adornments/accessories would also be nice and as was mention frequently, heterochromia would be lovely.

Sliders would be ideal, but I think more options in general is a must. I feel like my current character is 'the best he can be', given the limited options, but not what I want him to be.

I also was unable to create the character I wanted to create. I guess, since I pretty much create the same character for my first playthrough in every game, maybe I was kind of doomed to be disappointed with preset faces in a game where I have to see my character all the time in cutscenes, so I can't even pretend she looks like what I meant her to. I was going to create a human female, but I really didn't care for any of the faces, so I abandoned my usual character entirely and created an elf instead. I would really like to have some more options overall. And I was a little disappointed that the makeup was only eyeliner/eyeshadow and that you couldn't have the color of the eyeliner be a different color than the eyeshadow. Also, I agree that it's strange that there is no option for your character to have a scar.

Hey OP.

It would be cool if you could catalog everyone's suggestions into one post in your opening post.
That way both Larian and other posters can see of all the things suggested so far!

Sure! Ill try to do that sometime tomorrow.

I HATE the male Preset Faces!
I hope it is possible to choose the mouth, ears, nose, jaw, eyes etc..
I would also like more hairstyles options, most male hair is uninteresting.

New customization options would also be cool.
Ex: Tiefling tail options, Body/Weight, More clothing options, variations, colors etc..

I, too, think that there should either be more head presets or sliders. Sliders would probably be better but I don't know how difficult that would be to implement.

What I found even more off-putting was the lack of body type choice though. I don't know, it just feels sorta odd not to be able to make an absolutely ripped. Like if I'm creating a cool fierce lady who specialises in ass-kicking, I sorta hope to be able to give her some muscles, you know ? That's just an example.

I was initially indifferent on the elf heads, however, I gave some thought to it and I agree that they look too "heavy." They don't have to remove the existing heads, of course, but I believe that adding more ethereal looking ones would be great.

Thanks; I'm glad you're up for it as I feel responsible for dropping you in it having merged a bunch of other stuff!

It wont be until late today also i am new to fourms so i dont really know how to make a proper opening post

The technology they used makes for realistic results. It would be nice to have more options, but they have already said there will be more. Sliders distort the textures, which is unlikely to look as good.

Good or not is pretty subjective and plenty of games use sliders.
Character creation has always been one of Larian's weakpoints, this game is an improvement for sure but its still not there.

As someone earlier mentioned... when I create characters now its not the character I want to create.
Its the one I have to settle for.
Its early access, so its now or never! Larian should try very hard to address this.

6 faces are not enough. I doubt 12 faces would be enough.
Larian knows what we need.
Question is do they think its important enough to implement it by launch.

If they need more resources then sell it as a DLC. Idc.

Objectively, it stretches the textures. You can't have as finely detailed textures if you need them to be able to stretch without looking obviously stretched. I'm speaking with some experience in dealing with the issue. There are tradeoffs inherent in using sliders, I didn't figure everybody would know that, and I suspect that's the reason Larian has shied away from it. They're using 3D scans, which produces great results in my opinion, but I think everyone agrees more faces would be better.

Im willing to put up with a little bit of texture stretching if it means i can create the character i want.

I would also like to add that texture stretching might not be that noticeable with high res textures. But if that is a concern they could always opt to use a bunch of preset eyes, noses, mouths, chin, ears that the player can mix together.Kinda like what cyberpunk 2077 is doing. Even though that wouldn't have the freedom of sliders it would still be so much better than preset heads.

Just another idea for customizations.

Maybe allow two textures for the hair.
Like a streak of hair is red and the rest black...
Or maybe half the hair is one color on the left side and another on the right side.

Regarding the stretched textures.
Honestly it comes down to how noticeable it is... it it isnt too bad then the loss of quality would be well worth it if you can design exactly the character you want.

I dont think it would be too bad. Also on the idea of mixing and matching diffrent facial features. I think that would be the easiest to implement and it would allow the artists to still be able to use pieces of the scans they worked so hard on.

Seeing screenshots of the character creation was one of the things which prompted me to pay for early access instead of waiting!

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet, that I would personally love, is more gender/non-gender options. I found it interesting that there is currently the option to give your character, regardless of gender, different voice types and facial hair but you still have to choose a "male" or "female" gender. I think Larian have done a great job of giving us a taster of what's on offer for BG3 in early access, but for the full game I would definitely want to see more gender options as well as body types

I'm excited to see what the final game will look like, but since this is an Early Release and feedback is being solicited by those of us who have a vested interested in this game's improvement I have some thoughts.

Larian is disappointed because they gave people the option to use demon eyes, but what I really want is to FINALLY have more than three type 3/4 (out of the 31, or 32 if you count Bald) hairstyle choices. I want my Tiefling Fro-hawk damn-it.On the Human there are 35-36 hairstyles, only 1 that's very tight curls. one very messy "viking-locs", another with straight-haired cornrows, and only one that's visually interesting with looser curls. Larian, do you have any POC on your design team? I ask this not as an attack, but as a legitimate question regarding what type of people are providing hands-on input on how the game is implemented. I genuinely tried to look it up, but all I see on social media are people with Type 1 or Type 2 hair (https://twitter.com/i/status/1301829612478115840) so it's easy to assume this never crossed your mind. Am I alone here? I feel like I'm yelling into the void, but since this project is still in Early Release I'm hoping there's time for improvement. Straight & Wavy hair is cool, but give us inspired options for Curly & Coily too!


https://twitter.com/ATHL337/status/1315217440838684672

+1, I'm with you on that. There isn't enough hairstyles or face options to represent POC.
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The thing is, not everyone will be able to play the game at the highest resolution. So they sometimes have to make compromises. And if the stretching is quite visible at low resolution, it can make people think the company doesn't care about their experience. That's something to think about. You have to consider graphical detail adjustments they have to make for all levels of texture.

Rather than leaving it stretched and amateurish looking, the more common solution is to blur out the detail, shifting it from more photorealistic to more cartoonish. Larian put a lot of money and effort into highly realistic skin textures, presumably because they are so visible in dialogs when the camera zooms in, so I doubt they'll go that route. A texture can be modified to look just as good on different shapes, but for a slider that might mean making modifications for each increment or few increments along the continuum. At that point, I have to wonder, if it would just be more cost effective to create more heads the way they've been doing it, especially since they appear to own the equipment. Textures have to already be modified by an artist when converting from scanned human to whatever D&D race they're becoming. It sounds like they tried to find models that already resembled the races as much as possible in order to minimize that.

I know a bit about 3D art. As long as the models have a good poly density and are UV mapped properly and the areas that are effected have a smooth transition and the adjustments arent too extreme texture stretching shouldn't be noticeable at all.

Don't know if anyone has mentioned it already but I would love to get more short haircuts for female. I've got the choice between 2 truly short cuts. Simple fix: do not make haircuts gender fixed, just make them all available.

Other than that: would love to see scars and race specific tattoos.

There needs to be more hair types in general, and I have noticed some hairs don't appear for all races. Maybe those hairs could be added later.
What I am more worried about is everyone having the same body.


The current character creation system doesn't let you create a broad shouldered muscular warrior female or a scrawny and slim male wizard.
I hope there could be more body types just as there are heads.

Hi.

I don't like reposting feedback that has already been given. Just to summarize, three pointers.

> please make it possible to create somewhat older (grizzeld) characters.
> the ability to add scars, skin blemishes and wrinkles would go a long way.
> a rough or evil sounding voice.. the current ones sound a little to bit to much of a 'goody two shoes' if you ask me.

A human warrior should not look like a 16 year old influencer 😂 It should look and sound closer to Sandor Clegane (Sven in his armor)



p.s. if all else fails, please allow custom character portraits (that way characters would act as miniatures)

I would just really, really like some face/body sliders.

Two of the druids doing the ritual or whatever standing around outside are old looking (male and female), and both look great. Both heads should be added to the character creator.

Halsin is also super jacked up.

I hope thats a clue that unique body models are possible.

Sure, we need more races... especially of the furry variety... but in addition to specifying who we "dream of" I'd like to select which genders my character is(n't) interested in (male/female/other). Being able to turn off NPCs flirting with my very-not interested character would be nice. It would also make it a lot more like D&D if I could turn off the entire romance subplot.

My character is asexual, even if I'm not.

Cool your jets Shadowheart and Lae'zel. I'm more interested in the gay vampire, and he's not getting any either.

I liked how they made Macha in Dawn of War 3 look, .
They made the Eldar look a bit more alien yet also human-like.
The Elder Scrolls goes further with it but I am not a fan of how they look in that series at all tbh, but there's that too.

These are two from Helen Zenko on Artstation too.
A Wych and Slaanesh Daemonette, I think that the Daemonettes face is a good example too tho.
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You can be anyone in this game. Even a bearded transgender gnome woman who worships Lolth. Choose who you've always wanted to be and make your dreams come true in the character editor.
It would be a funny easter egg if the game understood that we created a freak, and there would be comments from NPCs and companions about this.

(I won't do that, but I know that some streamers will)

I might be going out on a limb here but saying that you can create a transgender individual and it would be funny if the developers made the game recognize you as a freak miiiiiight be taken as a slightly offensive comment.

I didn't want to offend any gender, and I didn't want to racially discriminate against dwarves, insult their feelings. I just wanted to say that if a player makes an obvious freak, then he should be punished, for example, sarcastic comments and reactions from others.

If you can see 100% without error that the player deliberately creates a freak and does not want to play normally.
Well, or what is much easier to do so that the game forbids doing so.

I’d LOVE more cc options, especially things like heterochromia. Right now eyebrows are part of the face texture so unless they change them to a separate one we are stuck with 1 eyebrow type per face. Which doesnt bother me actually as i like how the eyebrows look. I assume scars will be the same - part of the face texture. I do think they could pull it off though, since the face textures are some of the most realistic I’ve seen.

Horn color would be neat too for Tieflings.
I'd like separate colors too for things like lipstick if they're going to add that later instead of just a preset for all of it as well as more facial markings and also body tattoos.

hmmmm...

+1 to more character creator options, especially the option to make elves and other races look more otherworldly and less human

Horn color WOULD be neat.
Also Goblins and Hobgoblins.
.........
And Whatever else, I'm drunk.

I'm saying Humans and Human like races bore me.

The reason why it comes of as offensive is because "What is considered to be a freak?"

A bearded lady? Yeah, women all around the world are already very insecure regarding their facial hair. They don't need that crap in a videogame.
A guy with pink hair and make up? Same thing applies here.

I do understand what you mean since lore wise we know that prejudice already exists among the population(just ask a drow or a tiefling) and that the setting is somewhat medieval with a bit steampunk tech, so somewhere around the 13th or 14th century in our world which, based on our own history books would mean that people not following the conformed rules of appearance set by culture and society would have a hard time in places of civilization. But lore wise Faerun is also populated by elves, gnomes, halflings, dwarfs, orcs and whole bunch other sentient humanoid races so there should be a somewhat built up tolerance for odd looking characters. It might also be worth mentioning that WotC is very much on the guard of being accused of not showing acceptance of all races/genders/sexualities etc after all the hate they've been given the last year or so. So I don't want such a feature put in and I would be overly surprised if it happened.

On the plus side, that fear of negative reception among media can be a good motivator for body types. I e #WotCFatshaming

THAT

scars and dirt options would be nice too. And the possibility to choose the eyebrows color.

How are they fat shaming?

Either way, the non-lore friendly stuff is really just breaking the fourth wall.
Canonically I think that it's fair to assume that even if you make your character look that way in reality they don't.
Larian even went out of their way to label things as non-lore friendly.

So I honestly don't think that it makes sense for them to point it out in dialogue.
It'd be like if you modded your character to have a penis in their forehead, it's just a visual thing but not canon.

Tbh that was just me alluring to the fact that we right now can't make our characters obese. And pretty much everyone in the game(as far as I have reached) is more or less slim and athletic. I don't think that they fatshame, But, you could accuse them of that to make a point of telling Larian to include body types. Just a simple manipulation of a company's fear for bad publicity Morally ambiguous, for sure. Something that hasn't happened before. nope That's a normal tactic in lobbyism.

I'd rather... not go too hard with what WOTC want, after they went on that tangent about orcs and.. you know, it looks like they've sort of lost their senses.

Yep. For all the years I've been familiar with fantasy, I never once thought about orcs as even vaguely alluding to any group of real-life humans. Maybe "northern raiders" if anything.

Well, it's definitely not fatshaming.
There's a difference between not portraying people who are obese and shaming them.

You're right that it's a tactic, but it's an extremely scummy and disingenuous tactic which also diminishes the term.
Even worse if you're aware of what you're doing, that just makes it 10 times worse.
And I think that this has more to do with it just being too much extra work especially in EA to adapt everything to different body types, it's not as simple as just expanding the gear with the models you'd end up breaking things it's a lot of extra work.
But some level of customization I'd imagine will be there, but I wouldn't expect straight up obesity tbh.
Or well, the line for '' obese '' medically is quite low I think, but I mean people who are very large and not just has a bit of a belly.

I think that something like this is a bit more realistic to expect.

Strange how discussion about a game with nearly 50 years of established lore can get bogged down with SJW's telling people what they are and not allowed to request in game. We cannot have fat people because of some mythic victitm that may or may not get offended because they #feelsbadman that fat people exist? Whatever.

Elves are viewed as beautiful by the other bi-pedal races especially humans. Making them look area 51 would go against this lore but I don't really care tbh. However if you are creating an elf and they all have giant fish eyes and have bodies like bi-pedal spiders then humans would not consider them beautiful....unless fish eyed spider people happen to be your thing I guess.

Half elves look human to elves and elvish to humans, this should explain how different elves are to humans. Elves are shorter and have smaller bodies and facially very slender or feminine. Male elves don't have square jaws, broard shoulders or beards. They live for 700 years+ and behave and react very different to humans. Artist depictions of said races have something called artistic licence so as long as there are options you can make your character look like whatever you like. It is up to the devs and modders at the end of the day as they have the licence.

What you're saying, without needing to dip into social commentary, is that the races have defining characteristics and given ranges for certain things. A pot-bellied human or halfling is a thing whereas a 350 pound, 5 foot tall, couch lounging, elf isn't. Humans in particular have the greatest variability and you get less so within the other races such as dwarves, who were forged by their god as perfect in their form and were literally created by a god to be unchanging in both form and thought. By necessity, diluting or removing these defining characteristics removes the ability to have defining characteristics resulting in an amalgamous society with a uniform and restricted set of customs and abilities as many current races have contradictory practices. Furthermore, staying within the canonical universe provides the material to have narrative consistency with abilities and relationships re custom and personal. Combined, the the prior reasons would lead one to reasonably conclude that it would be better off to stay in canon for the purposes of establishing a believable, consistent, diverse, and true-to-source world. In this case, increasing diversity would, in a more global sense, reduce it.