Originally Posted by Orbax
Originally Posted by Deemer
Originally Posted by Firesong
Video games work differently than table top games


Surface spam is a stupid gimmick.


...have you ever played DOS2? This is non-existent comparatively. Also, as a DM, a lot of players crave using surfaces and grease fires and all sorts of stuff. I think its a good way to introduce spell combos in a way you just never get to in TT because the rules dont allow for it. If you look realistically at most fights its Swing/miss/stay, shoot/hit 4/move 5 feet, swing/miss/stay, enemy swing/half damage on barb/stay, enemy multi/miss/hit/stay, sacred flame/miss/stay move 10 feet

Its fun in the meta of resources and your journey and seeing new creatures and new terrains. But translating the level of simplicity and almost 0 synergy players have with one another other than guiding bolt, its probably beneficial to bring environment more into play in a way that is hard for DMs to build or manage on a battle map - especially given how much time we have to actually make all the terrain and come up with random encounter maps and all that stuff. It explores some concepts a bit more, and game companies have been doing grease fires forever even though no edition I know of has grease as flammable. If it was DOS2 Id nope out of this, but I dont feel its unwieldy or unmanageable yet.

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I have played DOS2. And surfaces have come up extensively in every single combat encounter and dungeon I've been in while playing BG3. Every spell makes a surface and every battlefield is littered with surfaces and surface-making objects. Sure, it's less than DOS2 but that game usually ended combat with literally every inch of the screen covered in necrofire, and comparatively less than that is still a hell of a lot.

Also I'm so sorry if your TT experience has been fighting in a white room. Encounters should have fun setpieces and narrative and interesting things to do besides exclusively autoattacking. 'Chuck a surface in there!' is not it, though, and that's BG3's approach to everything.

Last edited by Deemer; 10/10/20 11:18 PM.