Originally Posted by clanpot

I've seen this take posted so many times in just a few days and I can't read it any other way than just trying to silence all of the posters who aren't diehard 5e fans to shut up and leave. Either these posts are in bad faith, or you grossly misunderstand the purpose of opening up the game to early access and soliciting feedback.


If you can't read it any other way than "diehard" fans trying to force people out, you are taking quite a hostile stance yourself. And since the game is marketed as both BG and 5e, it should be somewhat understandable that people to some degree feel upset/disappointed when other people want to turn it into something (for the lack of a better term) else. I hate arcade style shooters, but lets say I participated in a Call of Duty alpha, I actually think my feedback would be less valuable because I hate the core of what the franchise is to fans. That is my subjective opinion though.


Originally Posted by clanpot

Telling people to go back and play a years old game they've likely put 100+ hours or more into is not a good or convincing argument - it is simply an attempt to silence dissent. Telling people "oh just wait for the next game, they'll do an OS game next time" is a realistic proposal for something that comes around maybe 2 or 3 times a decade - it's just telling people to f-off. This is not your game. You have no ownership whatsoever over this product. You do not get to define what it means to be a fan of the BG series, D&D, OS, or anything else.


This argument is a bit messy, but I will try to address it nonetheless: Remember that it goes both ways. Many a post in the forum goes like this "Go play Pathfinder Kingmaker if you want a TTRPG ruleset". Which is ironic since the game is marketed as a 5e game. And you have posts like this "5e is boring/bad etc, only purists/diehard fans like it". Which is untrue and an attempt to paint some of us as fanatics.

I do not see it as silencing dissent. I see it as an attempt to express frustration. BG fans haven't gotten a BG game in the last two decades. So it should be somewhat understandable that some fans get annoyed when DoS fans want this game, titled Baldurs Gate 3, to be more like DoS.

Whom gets to define what is a poor attempt at a motte and bailey argument? It is also ironic that you mention that since you want to define us as "diehards".

Originally Posted by clanpot

As I said before, everyone here is (hopefully) trying to provide feedback to make the game better. Obviously there will be differences of opinion, but not all opinions hold equal weight. "because D&D" is not a valid reason for, well, anything. Suggestions should be backed with a rationale for why they will improve the experience of playing this computer video game. "just make it 5e" is not that - it is dogma.


I agree all opinions do not hold equal weight. If you dislike 5e your opinion should hold less weight in my opinion. Your opinions regarding 5e might be 100% valid, but with the current marketing, Larian is trying to reach the 10 million+ people who play/like 5e. Maybe they can reach more people if they abandon 5e, but then the marketing is dishonest at best. And if the goal is to make the game tenable for as many people as possible, it should probably have been more like Withcer 3. I hope Larian will release some design goals so we can stop having these silly arguments.

Neither do I see many of these "Because 5e" arguments you are referring to. And those types of posts at least has some validity because of the marketing of the game. While posts like "No because TTRPG and DnD is boring" have no validity at all.