Originally Posted by clanpot
Originally Posted by gish
For all the people, who want to take 5e out of the game and make it more like DOS.

You realize that the DOS franchise already exists, its massively popular, and is Larian's flagship franchise, right? Which means that DOS3 is definitely going to come out at some point.

Why not let DnD fans have their game, instead of demanding for a DOS clone when we already know we'll be seeing another DOS game in the future?


I've seen this take posted so many times in just a few days and I can't read it any other way than just trying to silence all of the posters who aren't diehard 5e fans to shut up and leave. Either these posts are in bad faith, or you grossly misunderstand the purpose of opening up the game to early access and soliciting feedback.

Telling people to go back and play a years old game they've likely put 100+ hours or more into is not a good or convincing argument - it is simply an attempt to silence dissent. Telling people "oh just wait for the next game, they'll do an OS game next time" is a realistic proposal for something that comes around maybe 2 or 3 times a decade - it's just telling people to f-off. This is not your game. You have no ownership whatsoever over this product. You do not get to define what it means to be a fan of the BG series, D&D, OS, or anything else.

As I said before, everyone here is (hopefully) trying to provide feedback to make the game better. Obviously there will be differences of opinion, but not all opinions hold equal weight. "because D&D" is not a valid reason for, well, anything. Suggestions should be backed with a rationale for why they will improve the experience of playing this computer video game. "just make it 5e" is not that - it is dogma.

Originally Posted by Theliel

As for 'pure' 5e - great. Do it. Watch the general public bound hard off the 'pure' 5e rules because they are mediocre and shallow at best when TTRGP scene has dozens of complex and rewarding games to go play.


Also this.


I agree with your assessment of the dnd community and how they act towards others.

From my little exposure of the dnd community, it's eye opening how they act. They clearly only want a strickly 100% dnd game. Many are rude to everyone that disagrees. Almost all responses are the same, like 'but this is dnd' and referencing a rule book like it's the Bible.

I have played hundreds of hours of DOS games and have exhausted all of the story, but play for the combat mostly. It would be nice to play another good game with fun mechanics and a new story. From my experience, dnd mechanics are boring, and don't work well in a video like this. I'm actually confused why people want a faster combat experience, because it's a strategy game. It's a bad idea to strip away mechanics to speed up combat.

From my understanding, dnd rules are not good enough in a video game for the majority. If that was true, then the more dnd like games would have sold better and gotten the rights to make BG3. It's not a fluke that DOS is the best selling rpg of its kind. Also, dnd table top can have house rules and people can change the rules to their liking. And the experience is completely different compared to a video game.

After learning about dnd, I see many references and systems that are inspired by dnd, but changed for a better experience for a turn based, strategy rpg. The bedroll is the quick and easy version of resting. The source spells in DOS are the strong spells, but they don't make up the majority of spells. Most of dnd spells require rest points, because they are 'strong', but in a video game, one-shot-kill spells would make it too easy and boring. That's why rest points on weakened spells don't work. The whole experience is off and doesn't work well. I feel like it's fine to take inspiration from previous games, the good mechanics and ideas, and incorporate them into a new modern game.