Originally Posted by Zaxtaj
Originally Posted by Sunfly
Originally Posted by Zaxtaj
So, one big thing I learned about having shove as a bonus action which is game-breaking is how invisibility works. Because shove is a bonus action instead of an attack action it does not break invisibility. This means while invisible and hiding you can continuously shove enemies with a 100% chance of success and it never breaks your invisibility or stealth.

It's very easy to abuse and makes many fights trivial, so I would recommend that shove be an action specifically for the purpose of causing invisibility to end.


Wouldn't making shove count as an attack, or simply another thing that breaks invisibility, also fix this?


Well, shove originally was an attack action, so if they restored it to consume an action instead it would fix it. As performing any action would break invisibility as it is currently programmed into the game.


It would fix it but it'd also heavily alter the class balance. Ranged shoving attacks are already better than the bonus action shove for the most part. Turning shove into a regular action is just going to make archer builds, battle masters, and warlocks even stronger by comparison to other classes than they already are.