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Shadowheart just with all its appearance asks "give me a quest in which I will determine who I am"
Shar сleric cannot be truly neutral, or not?

She does not act like an classical netural evil character, she behaves as if she had started worshiping Shar in an attempt to fill the inner simplicity, or get rid of the bad life that came before

Nees have to do something about this, and make her Alignment depends. For example, after the quest where Selune and Shar will be in conflict seems the best solution. Or any other way, the way is not very important. It was with Viconia in Baldurs Gate 2, and here we can go even further.

She is very cute and seems hidden submissive, can be disappointed in the Shar (?) and become good, or she can become a bitch, or remain as she is, if the player likes "neither fish nor fowl".
The main thing is that this "neither fish nor fowl" does not become the only possible option, the potential to make from SH exactly what the player wants to see is optionally very large. It would be a very interesting experience, I want to see this in the game.

We already have the "evil" lae'zel, as well as the drow Mintara, Mizora (the demon girl in the art with Will) who will obviously be companions in the release, and not a single good girl. The option for Shadow Heart can to repent and change alignment to neutral good (if the player wants to, can be made she a cleric of Selune), or help strengthen her faith in Shar and change to neutral evil.


Or if she be true neutral after personal quest...Dark moon heresy?

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I found a book in the hags house that talked about who and how became the head priestess of Shar...I wonder...She might have layers


What is the problem you are solving? Does your proposed change solve the problem? Is your change feasible? What else will be affected by your change? Will your change impact revenue? Does your change align with the goals and strategies of the organizations (Larian, WotC)?
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Probably can be anything since WOTC decided it was a good idea to not include alignments and everything plays out using Larian's Moral Compass System.

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Honestly I had trouble figuring her out too.

On one hand she seems to value trust and loyalty. Me not selling out Astarion got her to flirt with me.
On the other hand trying to help the tieflings and doing the morally right thing is something she disapproves us.

So I guess as long as I am loyal to her and don't betray the trust of my friends she doesn't care what happens to others?

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She is definitely evil more often then not.


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Originally Posted by Eddiar
Honestly I had trouble figuring her out too.

On one hand she seems to value trust and loyalty. Me not selling out Astarion got her to flirt with me.
On the other hand trying to help the tieflings and doing the morally right thing is something she disapproves us.

So I guess as long as I am loyal to her and don't betray the trust of my friends she doesn't care what happens to others?


You forgot Astarion is Evil. She is expecting you to do evil things that are convenient for the evil gang. That's why she approved of ransacking the vault too. She didn't want you to save Lae Zel because she was expecting to be the only one manipulating you and doing her bidding. It's obvious. There is nothing to figure out.

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She is conflicted between dogmatism and the more playful side of her nature that was thoroughly not appreciated by her order. As a product of circumstances she could turn any way depending on how the situation changes.
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I am also wondering where the heck those cool tattoos and spear is in her promotional art?


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Originally Posted by Eddiar
Honestly I had trouble figuring her out too.

On one hand she seems to value trust and loyalty. Me not selling out Astarion got her to flirt with me.
On the other hand trying to help the tieflings and doing the morally right thing is something she disapproves us.

So I guess as long as I am loyal to her and don't betray the trust of my friends she doesn't care what happens to others?


I think the feeling they're going for with her is that she's selfish, or maybe just goal oriented. Her goal at the moment is to get the tadpole out of her head, everything else is of no consequence unless it directly helps her in that goal and helping the tieflings doesn't do that. Now, unless they change it to her giving a positive or even neutral response to helping them once you get the tadpole out, then I think it's more likely that she only cares to help those around her that have helped or tried to help her.

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Originally Posted by Eddiar
I am also wondering where the heck those cool tattoos and spear is in her promotional art?



That doesn't look like generic armor so it's probably related to later acts and her own quest.

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Originally Posted by Druid_NPC
She is definitely evil more often then not.

I didn't got the impression, frankly.
She seems to be a mixed bag of conflicting opinions, like most "complicated" people can be in reality (i.e. Just because you are a in criminal organization doesn't mean you like to kick puppies).

And in fact I noticed she reacts favorably every time you are kind or merciful toward some animal.
And sometimes she's pleased when you do someone a favor or act out of loyalty.
But on the other hand she doesn't seem to like when you act on a Samaritan complex offering help without a return etc.

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Her whole shebang though was "We need to find a healer" and then disapproves when we help the grove to secure the Druid's aid.

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And in fact I noticed she reacts favorably every time you are kind or merciful toward some animal.

Yes there is that... Maybe she is just not a people person

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It looks like armor related to shar with all the dark circles...

so why does she make a secret of following shar. Its probably anyones first guess. The tattoos make it even more clear.
As followers of Shar are obsessed with being secretive its like an american spy boasting a big CIA tattoo


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Im sure everyone here has been nothing but consistent in THEIR choices haha


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Originally Posted by Druid_NPC
Her whole shebang though was "We need to find a healer" and then disapproves when we help the grove to secure the Druid's aid.


Bad writing.

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Honestly when I heard she is a follower of Shar... I was like who?
And everyone was freaking out like she followed something crazy.

Meanwhile my Drow is Lloth sworn which I thought was the biggest no no in dnd.

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People get way too hung up in these approval/disapproval reactions. They act as if they had all the same weight, which is beyond stupid.
Chances are most of them are minimal variation equivalent to the character raising an eyebrow, and only a sparse number of cases gets a genuinely strong emotional response.

Also, I noticed that sometimes the reaction is not even about the decision you take, specifically, but about how you choose to word your answer.
I.e. "Fine, I'll help you since you showed me proper respect" - NPC that appreciates you expressing authority approves.
OR
"I'll help you because what happened to you is unfair" - Same NPC: "What a wanker".

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Originally Posted by Eddiar
Honestly when I heard she is a follower of Shar... I was like who?
And everyone was freaking out like she followed something crazy.

Meanwhile my Drow is Lloth sworn which I thought was the biggest no no in dnd.


Sir, excuse me Sir! Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior, Bane?

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Originally Posted by Druid_NPC
She is definitely evil more often then not.


Of course, Shar is not Llot, most likely SH and should be mysterious. But her motives and theme Shar needs more disclosure in the game.
So far, SH does not look clear, neutral

Compared to the cleric of Llot SH, she is not only good, but generally a saint

Why is it so frightening to everyone that she is a cleric of Shar? It is not clear.
Is she really happy to be Shar's cleric, or is it self-hypnosis? It is also not clear.

Need answers in release

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More NPCs should react to her serving Shar. If Larian does include the tattoos in the game it is simply obvious. The druids should kick her out without long sleeves and different armor


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