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I know sorcerer and also its subclass draconic bloodlines isn't in the game yet, but i know its planned to be. i wanted to make a special note on the fact that since the subclass only requires you to have an ancestry to a particular dragon type, that means they don't have to be in D&D 5e to be a valid choice, just means they had to be a official thing in any D&D edition. So even if your talking now extinct, that does not mean you don't still carry the linage. I think in all cases a dragon is immune to whatever damage its breath weapon is. With that in mind you can use dragons such as force dragon (3rd edition , did a cone shaped force breath attack), deep dragon (2e/3e, did a cone psychic attack.. which would be useful against mind flayers having resistance to psychic damage), and shadow dragons1e/2e/3e/5e, its breath was a necrotic cone. Just some information to help you do this right. when you make the subclass include in the sublcass a chance to have linage with at least one official dragon spanning from every edition of D&D to at least allow covering every spell damage type covered by all the games official dragon types. And again not just 5e. Consequently this is also true if you do the race dragonborn, you just need it to have lived at some point in any Edition of D&D to qualify. I doubt that every dragon type will be included. Sticking to what is currently featured in D&D 5e will likely be enough for most people. The trouble is that so many people wanted to created their own special dragon that AD&D and D&D suffered from a ridiculous 'dragon-bloat'. Even just the Forgotten Realms saw new dragons popping up practically every week in Dragon magazine or (later) fan-sites online.
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This wouldn't be a concession IMO, its how the the subclass is supposed to work in 5e. Where would the concession be? I don't see one. Everything in previous versions of D&D pre 5e still existed, and still exists in 5e in their history books for them. Being 5e doesn't magically negate the existence of content pre 5e. So you ask where is the line?, the line is drawn at official D&D content. As a side note if a new version negated content of the content under it Baldur's gate 1 and 2 would have a lot of explaining to do in Baldur's gate 3 using 5e rules.
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D&D 5e chose to use Forgotten Realms as the official starting world for the game, whereas the other editions adapted FR to their edition. That's why I mentioned it. The D&D 5e, therefore might well limit themselves to 'official' FR material when it comes to dragons.
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It is true that a lot of dragons for both dragon bloodline subclass and dragonborn race there was a a lot of homebrew dragons to fit needs, but that is not what I am asking them add, not UA ( though not opposed to UA), and not homebrew, i am talking official dragons put in the game by TSR/Wizards of the Coast for use in D&D.
Again about Forgotten realms Baldur's gate was originally put into the game under I think D&D 2e rules so by that definition it also would be part of Forgotten realms as starting world.
So with that i ask the preverbal question to go with it,... Which came first the chicken or the egg?
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BG1 and 2 used 2e, of course. Whilst FR was a world available for AD&D, it was not the official homeworld but just one of the options. The difference was that, whilst later editions used FR material (races etc) as canon for the game, the earlier ones only did so when playing in that setting. By using FR as the official setting, 5e is making all the FR stuff canon for the game from the outset, so using its races and history as the default.
Yes, the original BG pairing (and the NWN series) was set in FR and so used FR lore.
To answer the add-on question, FR came first. Then AD&D was developed, and then FR was offered as a campaign setting for AD&D.
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I know sorcerer and also its subclass draconic bloodlines isn't in the game yet, but i know its planned to be. i wanted to make a special note on the fact that since the subclass only requires you to have an ancestry to a particular dragon type, that means they don't have to be in D&D 5e to be a valid choice, just means they had to be a official thing in any D&D edition. So even if your talking now extinct, that does not mean you don't still carry the linage. I think in all cases a dragon is immune to whatever damage its breath weapon is. With that in mind you can use dragons such as force dragon (3rd edition , did a cone shaped force breath attack), deep dragon (2e/3e, did a cone psychic attack.. which would be useful against mind flayers having resistance to psychic damage), and shadow dragons1e/2e/3e/5e, its breath was a necrotic cone. Just some information to help you do this right. when you make the subclass include in the sublcass a chance to have linage with at least one official dragon spanning from every edition of D&D to at least allow covering every spell damage type covered by all the games official dragon types. And again not just 5e. Consequently this is also true if you do the race dragonborn, you just need it to have lived at some point in any Edition of D&D to qualify. Your suggestion isn't bad but consider the following. If they make this concession to port material from previous editions for this then where do they draw the line without upsetting everyone else? The line is if it is official and if its referencing the past. Previous versions of D&D( ie 4e and older) are valid as history or bloodlines in 5e. I am not saying they bring something back from the dead like bring back force dragons, but the subclass draconic bloodlines and he race dragonborn do ask the player where their ancestry is rooted. In the case of dragonborn race and the sorcerer subclass using a force dragon as the ancestry is legal and almost intended by the wording, because they left the wording open so you didn't have to be chained to a few choices, the chart given is listed as examples, but isn't the definitive list of choices to choose from. No where written does it say you had to choose from that list, or only 5e content, and looking at how its framed, totally out of the spirit of the question to assume only 5e content would be valid. That is what makes it perfectly acceptable to push past 5e into other editions, when there asking where or what in time you came from, that is the line.
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Draconic sorcerer become closer and closer to their ancestor form the more they get stronger.
Wouldn't it be logic if they become temporary a real one when they start to reach the top of their power ?
Even go further, attaining the older/stronger version of this form as a final goal. I would say that is sort of a stretch. Might be good for storytelling, and story line, but that is not part of the sub class. You do take on features of the dragon your associated with like wings, resistance and fear aura, but its more temporary aspects in most cases, except for the increased damage type, and the increased AC while being unarmored from having some scales. Which i think would make this sub class of sorcerer the most outward noticeable by passer bys, more so then any other sub class for sorcerer.
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