I can't help but wonder how many here going "+1, we shouldn't have to roll more dice rolls to do this" feel like they didn't get enough chances to persuade Kagha? I was in a nice little dialog for about 12 posts, where someone was trying to convince me that that dialog should have been much longer, giving players every possible advantage. I guess they, as I, failed all their dice rolls for Persuasion? It's funny how "but the outcome" seems to sway this dialog back and forth, isn't it?
Kahga is a different kind of railroading issue than what this subject is about.
With Kahga, you only need to pass one roll. It's a ridiculous DC 18 Persuasion or DC 20 Nature, but it's one roll. I would like additional options for that situation, such as making an Acrobatics check to tumble the child out of the way (and possibly take the hit yourself), or Animal Handling to grab the snake before it can strike, or a Medicine check to save the child if it gets bitten, but it's not what the thread is talking about.
The thread is talking about the same check being rolled in the same dialogue multiple times in a row where you need ALL passes to win, and ANY fail loses.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what I'm talking about. "But the outcome". Ironically, the fail state has as much to do with a situation that is beyond your control, and should be, how the child reacts. Kahga isn't planning to kill the child after all, just lock her up until the ritual is complete, or about to be complete, and then releasing her. She panics. Success is sweet there, I've done it twice, no save scumming, in three trips through it now. I was heartbroken that I failed and the child died, but my first thought wasn't "I'm going to keep doing this until I get it" but more "well, that's what happens". The same with Nettie, although I have only talked to her once, so far. In my other saves, I had already decided that I was going to try other things anyway.
The argument is the same, inherently: Where a player can't get their desired outcome in one roll, they want multiple, and where they get multiple it's "but I only need one". I used the example of the discussion here for a reason: I failed all of my Persuasion checks on the forum trying to convince the other poster to come around to my way of thinking, and they too failed all of theirs trying to sway me. How boring things would be if one post was the answer to everything, yes?
