Originally Posted by Sven_
Originally Posted by robertthebard

...and this is the problem with this kind of conversation, the highly subjective nature of what makes a game "good".


My personal arguments were never about any game being good/bad. There are games that I consider to be RPGs proper that I'd happily call pretty bad -- I likewise never called the Witcher a bad game. That said, I can definitely make a connection between "Nu"-Bioware (post their D&Dish games) and The Witcher though. Everything that came before, it's difficult. There's a German Channel on the Tube called DevPlay where the (in)famous argument was made by one German games developer that: "The RPG is dead -- there are only action-adventures anymore." Every time I fire up a game like The Witcher (3), I have to think of that quote.

As said, don't want to get into a debate about genre definitions though, that's futile. smile To me it's just that BG and Witcher 3 are worlds apart, right form their core vision of what they were trying to accomplish. This is nothing bad, as diversity is a good thing. However, if it is widely considered that they belong to the same genre, they couldn't be much more different games. And this goes all across the board, in terms of their storytelling technique, presentation, systems, gameplay, generally mechanics, pacing, the entire package.

Not that any of that matters. laugh


I have to disagre. The fact that a German gamer guy said it doesn't make it true. You can call it action RPG and pretend it's completely different but I don't buy it. And even if you define RPG as narrowly as RPG with a RTwP or turn base, it's in the title. You have many games that are "real rpg" even today. And just for curiousity, where would you put Kotor and dragon age? Why they are less RPG? I hope it's not because they are not dnd based, since many of the games in the title are not dnd based as well.


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