Originally Posted by Zefhyr

Pathfinder
I remember the first time I play, it was so hard at the beginning. But at the same time I was really charmed by all the possibility I have to develop my team.


I think that is a good point. Its in line with the "how are these people level 1" thread. In PoE and Pathfinder people came from classic backgrounds - acolyte, soldier, etc...and it felt like you were all embarking on crazy stuff and would be getting better as a team and would be dialing it in to the way the party played. Right now, and it might just be the narrative, it feels like everyone is just picking their path even though you are obviously doing it.

Originally Posted by Zefhyr

What make me leave the game first was the realm management. I was SO happy to have a realm to manage ! This is why I couldn't get how, despite of all my efforts and vigilance, I ended up ruined, game over.


Yeah, it was something I was all about. Giving people (like camps!) they can manage makes them happy. A realm, fuck yeah. However, even on auto, it was distractingly shitty and the amount of time Id have to spend to learn what to do was prohibitively fun. A good takeaway is that people LIKE management. Football and Soccer Manager games exist, its a thin with people.


Originally Posted by Zefhyr

RTwP


Too close to call for me, ive played plenty of both and I dont know if this game would reap any benefits from it. They arent flat sewer systems like in BG or clearing a fist floor of a house. Its a multi-level fracas that might just be more of Pause with Real Time.

Originally Posted by Zefhyr

The story. I appreciate pathfinder, appreciate the treason, when we had to choose between two companion quests. I appreciate the narrative, the bitch who played with me, etc etc.
Sure, there is ever a moment when you think "I would have had the opportunity to do it" but we have to be humble and a little cooperative sometimes.

In pathfinder I really appreciate the companions ! there was interesting, some archetype and some others who was not. They had good side quests and even some amazing surprise (Ho Tristan why... :'( ). Even the romance was good, they came step by step and we could feel the companions know what they want.


Its hard to tell because I remember the companions stories as a total narrative as Ive beaten it so many times. Im having a hard time remembering how long it took to actually know Eder or Aloth. But, you hit on something that made me think: The companions had all made decisions and some of those decisions haunted them. In this, everyone was persecuted in someway and have a "no regrets" mentality. its hard ot debate philosophy with someone who doesn't think theyve ever done anything wrong. The only moral ambiguity is how the moral relativism of your choices / agreements agrees or disagrees with other companions. There are no tales of caution from any of them, they simply think you should have done something different. Theyve never done something wrong and learned from it.

Originally Posted by Zefhyr

In Pathfinder, I love the freedom we had to explore. It's ever a little confusing but this is a big part of the pleasure.
This is something BG3 doesn't give me but it's still EA, so maybe with more content we will be able to travel wherever we want ? I hope so. For now, it's a little to directive.


This is hard too because its a heck of a hook but the effect of it is that you have no agency. Exploring and dicking around is a specifically BAD idea and they tell you so in no uncertain terms. TICK TOCK GET TO THE HEALER RUN RUN RUN GO GO. The world isn't big enough in EA to get the choice of "wow. where to go next?". That bein said the ticking-clock narrative is somethin ive run in D&D games before and have since removed to a slow, background heart beat. Players dont like it because it makes them feel rushed and not in control.


Great write-up, very thoughtful!

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