Originally Posted by kanisatha
Originally Posted by Horrorscope
Originally Posted by Abits
Do you guys still think there is hope for Bioware to come back?


It is possible, what isn't possible is having the same people come back to do it. Now do I think it will comeback with new players? 25%.

I think the hardest things for a player base to understand is they have to go with what is popular in many ways, they have no choice. That doesn't mean it is a bad game but enough people will think it is a sell out and not what they want. EA is not going to make an old school BG Game, yhat is why you need a smaller studio coming up to fill in those gaps, like a Larian, like Obsidian and the like, they can take the risk because they don't need the huge payback potential.

The cRPG purists liked DA:O but disliked DA:I. DA:O sold between 3 and 3.5 million. DA:I sold about 10 million. Which game was better for Bioware?

As for Larian, I think Larian is now where Bioware was about eight years ago after DA:O and looking to see where it wanted to go next. Larian's not a small indie studio anymore. It is very much a AAA studio, in the same box as Bioware and not at all in the same box as Obsidian. The question for me, then, is whether Larian is essentially following the same path as Bioware? Is Larian's sales goal for BG3 DA:O or DA:I?


Right on the sales side, for ElectArts it is a no brainer and why they never listened all that much to the DAO crowd. Luckily I liked them all, each different. But I can totally see why masses would like DAI over DAO, it is just much more approachable playing as an action RPG in a much larger world to explore. I wish DAI would have kept expanding on the NPC AI skill branching menus they gave us, I still feel DA2 was about the best I've seen in a game, they neutered it for DAI sadly, aka lost that feature changing engines.

Larian's on their way if they want to be that way, not all companies just want to get larger and larger. I really think BG3 is now crossing between DOS and DAO, will it end up in the middle? Maybe. But what about BG4? I'm of the belief that a developer like Larian will always want to add new things, so they aren't many iterations out of being Bioware.

Larian becomes a corporate AAA when they start answering to Wall Street demands, today I don't think that have that burden, games change at that point. So if they can stay outside of that clutch, great! We'll get the game the devs want. When I see Larian moving to Bioware I am talking about game design and not the business end, they were sucked in and bullied like the rest.

I love they added in the cinematics, deeper story, I'm really hoping they see the desire to open up venturing to a 3rd person POV with WASD (that's something masses like), to me you can really add more immersion from that pov, battles being iso/tb to me is fine and dandy and I feel that is what the vocal DAO crowd wanted, keep the tactics.

Last edited by Horrorscope; 26/10/20 09:15 PM.