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#71948 03/07/03 06:40 AM
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Riftrunner will be only in English version, or in other languages too.

And other question:I've got my <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> on start of may as NEW here Poland.
It was on market earlier everywhere.So my question is

WILL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> BE IN POLAND A LITTLE BIT FASTER OR THE BEST OPTION TO ME IS TO BUY IT DIRECTLY FROM LARIAN.

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lol darn...i was hoping dad would split a copy with me.....DAD? (strange calling someone dad on internet....)


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Software piracy is the worst thing a RPG fan can do to Him/ Her self, because the company that produces your favourite game needs that money to survive and produce the sequel that you look for.

How do you expect a veteran senior programmer and programming instructor to encourage Software Piracy!
I might be CRAZY but I am definitely with ethics to the extent that I found a divine thief to be tasteless; read my posts.

Please everyone out there spread the message:
Do not encourage Software Piracy; it is simply illegal as much as grabbing the sexual organs of someone you do not know in a subway. It is as illegal as opening the post-box of your neighbour.

There is a legal method for trying out a game called the demo version, an if you like the game, BUY it, and if you do not have the money, Earn it, and then buy the game. Or what is your freaking life all about?


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agreed. Johnson's life is about getting H.D. to go into his bed (he said that on MSN messenger) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" />

I like the name <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" />, and yes, piracy ahs to stop. its bad for everyone. Larian deserves the money for the game, they have gone to a big effort for these games, they deserve to reap the rewards.



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Software piracy is the worst thing a RPG fan can do to Him/ Her self, because the company that produces your favourite game needs that money to survive and produce the sequel that you look for.


I agree - as it is mostly the smaller companies coming up with new ideas, software pirates deprive themselves of this in future and actually "support" the taking over of mainstream crap the larger companies produce, cause they prefer to be on the safe side - depriving honest gamers, willing to pay, too.

A lot of promising companies went bankrupt in Europe - and software piracy was partly responsible - partly, not always <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

I consider it theft, even if it's a "thriving" business in some countries and even if it considered a "cavalier's delict" in the belief of some gamers.
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Software piracy is the worst thing a RPG fan can do to Him/ Her self, because the company that produces your favourite game needs that money to survive and produce the sequel that you look for.


I agree - as it is mostly the smaller companies coming up with new ideas, software pirates deprive themselves of this in future and actually "support" the taking over of mainstream crap the larger companies produce, cause they prefer to be on the safe side - depriving honest gamers, willing to pay, too.

A lot of promising companies went bankrupt in Europe - and software piracy was partly responsible - partly, not always <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

I consider it theft, even if it's a "thriving" business in some countries and even if it considered a "cavalier's delict" in the belief of some gamers.
Kiya



Thank you Kiya for your endorsement.
Unfortunately I am quite aware of the existence of regular Piracy in Russia and China with the later including printing the box and the manual. I was fooled once and found myself with a pirated copy and reported the incidence immediately to the Software Company to take legal action as well as to the local authorities of THAT country (doubting they would do much).
Big companies only have the resources to produce an authenticity badge (Like Microsoft).
Sadly enough, I am quite aware that there is no absolute protection method, whether that was hardware based or software key based. So we must unite and fight back because the same countries print banknotes too. I see no difference between one illegal act and the other at this criminal level.



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one of the future project could be an online downlaod of the game by the publisher itself. with some kind of unique software that only activates your game..

but that will be cracked also ofcours..

what microsoft will do is implement somekind of "chip" (TPM) wich detect if the software you install is legetimet
this technologie is called,
trusted computing platform alliance (TCPA)
it gives an intification code to a software product. if you "share "data on the internet , the software does't work annymore. you can not make kopies of the game etc..;

then you have to get a hardware crack of the system like a modchip of something?

i don't know but it's already a feature in the new operating system of microsoft palladium i think.

i don't like the pirate buisiness.
in the beginning it looked verry nice for some people.
but it goes to big..

remember you once kopied a musictape from someone?
that's was on a small scale.

now it's totaly exploded.


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The TCPA part of Palladium builds upon a chipset defined by Intel. It's a long story with several pros if you think of it. But if you look at things in detail then there are a lot of cons also. If you want to know what the pros and cons are then you should read this excellent FAQ. Of course you can also visit the official site in favor of TCPA and the site against TCPA.

This is one of those things where you might end up with the 'Big brother is watching you' feeling.


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agreed. Johnson's life is about getting H.D. to go into his bed (he said that on MSN messenger)

I like the name , and yes, piracy ahs to stop. its bad for everyone. Larian deserves the money for the game, they have gone to a big effort for these games, they deserve to reap the rewards.



lol lews...is that what i said? are you sure?cause i dont remember...and your the one thats drugged up....

I'm drugged up, amd I??? alot u know. well, yeah, u know a lot.



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When computers became personal, which was a revolutionary thing in the eighties, software for running the metal became popular only due to floppy disks. Such a media as you know is based on magnetising bits in the same way that music gets recorded on tape. Loud Speakers have powerful magnets in them, and it is quite probable to place a magnetic data media right beside one of those magnets. Also CRT monitors of good quality come with built in degaussing coils that emit very powerful demagnetising fields, and THAT was the major concern behind allowing users to backup their rightfully purchased software and make copies
Therefore the software customer as much as the audio customer must have all the rights to protect their property while software users do have more to say because of the dependency of secondary produced added value on the original software. You may still sit on a chair, which a hammer contributed in making after the hammer breaks but you may not be able to print a story that took three years to write if your word processor fails to start if you did not take the measures to protect your hard work by keeping a printed copy of your work as often as you produced. But if the work is huge and incorporated a team assembly such as electronic encyclopaedia materials then the problem becomes even worse.
Personal copies are as legal as making copies of the key to your home for your wife/ husband and kids, yet thieves do have the means to make copies or pick locks and that is why more pick-resistant designs came to be a reality. Physical locks with code that must be memorised came before the idea transferred to the implementation of CD keys. CDs may get scratched easier than magnetic tape could be demagnetised.
DVDs are even more sensitive to clean-room conditions, dust, and mechanical tear-and-wear etcetera. Protecting the software programming companies must come in parallel with protecting their customers who make their existence meaningful. Honest people would very normally call the police on seeing a burglar tampering with a neighbour’s lock Software police must become a reality very soon but TCPA and Palladium ideas are rip-offs and disastrous monopoly oriented concepts that we must fight as strong as we fight piracy. Larian Studios might not be able to produce a game that runs on MSOS unless they paid Bill a quota to allow them such application or else they have to crack and hack their way from a backdoor and be labelled as software terrorists while the fact is that Intel-Microsoft coalition is the true offenders here due to unlimited ambitions of dominance.
Live and let live.
In the old days, when a customer had problems with his authentic software media, he returned it to the nearest agent and replaced it while the vendor took care of the rest of the business. Now there are much organised pirating establishments in untouchable Countries that it is impossible to implement such a policy.
Customer education is the major key for a solution. If customers reject pirated copies as they reject kissing a leprous, pirates shall not find a source of income and look for another source. So why does youngsters and many individuals encourage pirated software other than software being overpriced to make it out of reach?
Software must become cheaper to the limit of bread because no thief copies bread. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
Jewellery imitations do exist because of the high price as well.
So how does software gets priced is beyond my understanding.
Eventually, in the future, there shall be such a medium that holds the data, but which needs a major powerful manufacturing facility to produce it in mass quantities. Software creators shall be clients of such firms and place their orders then distribute the product at low profit to keep them alive at dignified standards but not to become a Gates. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
Only then shall the problem be solved.

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but then again whats wrong with making a copy(other than company not getting money)


if not meant for your own personal back-up = it's cheating and theft. And forwards companies to think up stronger copy protections that interfere with game fun - make installation procedure more difficult, try to spy on me e.g. Even with a legally bought game! Are these companies to blame?

I'll leave this answer up to you - my answer for myself in this case: I get angry! And a large part of my anger is directed at gamers, I hold them partly responsible for this situation.

Dammit, I'm sick and tired then of being on the shorter pole for my honesty - be it about games/copy protection or having to pay higher prices in shops for everyday items, cause the companies convert their losses due to thefts on to their customers.

It's about fair play, Johnson - Company A produces something at certain costs - customer B buys it and provides A to carry on. Just fair play and justice - oldfashioned? Yes, probably.
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What does all this has to do with a riftrunner voting?
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What does all this has to do with a riftrunner voting?
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We are voting on the concept of Piracy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />



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There you go. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

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What does all this has to do with a riftrunner voting?


Old tradition: Going off-topic and still having to say something with content - a tradition you are familiar with, right?
Kiya

But to bring the wide cycle back to RR = I vote for a legal copy and hope it will come out in German first <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />
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I stil think we'll have the premiere <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


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together with us, i hope <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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We'll see. We'll see <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />


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@kiya
You know it wouldn't make a difference for me if it's in German or not.
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Nothing personal. I really liked what you wrote. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

And ofcourse I voted for legal copy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />




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But to bring the wide cycle back to RR


<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> wide cycle...
Interesting way of putting things.
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I stil think we'll have the premiere <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

ivoted to have my copy from larian......duh! easy decision, bedsides,
i like when my new game comes with an instructional book, and fancy pictures all over the box! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

what is the premiere? some big special announcement type show or what?
sounds like fun, i think though Canada should be first to get the game,
because we never get anything first!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

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so basically the whole piracy...technology is to blame? no?


what if your friend bought it and his disk has gone missing, and you also bought the game, and you made a copy for him...would that be piracy....cause he lost the disk, and he had already bought it.


Yes it would. It doesn't matter if he bought one or not. You making a copy is piracy.
How do you loose a CD/DVD btw?


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