Originally Posted by CMF
Originally Posted by Traycor


BG1 & BG2 used the current 2e rules at the time. That's why people want BG3 to use the current 5e rules. It also helps that 5e is way more popular by orders of magnitude than all previous editions combined.

As for your tonal comparisons, think of it like a comic book. If you pick up an issue of Batman, you expect it to look, feel, and read like a Batman book no matter who wrote it and who the artist is. The franchise has a set tone. It's not unreasonable for people who have been playing BG games for 20 years (and to a lesser extent NWN for 3e) to expect a consistency in the tone and presentation of the brand.



Good comparison with the Batman comics, there have been many adaptations of Batman and visual or tonal changes made to his character and world. Some were original hated by the fan base, while at the same time creating a new fanbase.

Also I think that saying people have been playing BG for 20 years is an over statement. How many times in the last 20 years have you played BG, how many times has it become relevant again to new players. It has been around for 20 years but not necessarily continuously played/replayed. I have many games that I cherish from 20+ years ago, like Ultima 7 Serpent's Isle. I have played and beat that game one time in my life but it was so impactful I still remember the story and it filters my opinion about games and story to this day.

Do I think games should use the same graphical style, user interface, non-rotating isometric view, real time combat and user input typing to chat to NPCs to this day? No, we have evolved gaming interfaces and created new ways of telling a story in the video game medium.

Back to 2e rules, it has been stated many times, but even BG1&2 deviated from the 2e rules to make a better translation into a video game.


The 20 years is pretty accurate. BG1 & BG2 have enjoyed continuous mod support even to this day because of their popularity. Many fans replay them from time to time over the years. NWN was the obvious successor, so it carried the torch for several years after with lots of DLC and expansions. Then Beamdog picked the original Baldur's Gate series back up years ago with the Enhanced Editions, releasing new characters, new missions, and new updates. Only about 3 years back that new expansion Dragonspear for BG1 was released as a bridge between BG1 & BG2. Plus you've had Enhanced NWN released with new updates just recently.

2e rules were altered, but not nearly to the extent that 5e has been here. If you knew 2e rules, you knew how BG worked. Same for NWN. If you knew 3e, you understood NWN with the changes being minimal and mostly to fix annoying things that were very broken or flat didn't work in a video game. Here, 5e has been fundamentally altered, including changing many things that were popular.

Last edited by Traycor; 28/10/20 04:49 AM.