Originally Posted by Ellenhard


Thank you for saying things openly. Just please, don't troll: you asked me a question which is already answered by the firstmost post of this thread.

I see many people here are very capable to do relevant brainwork and more, sad if you don't see that. I wouldn't single out anyone. You really don't see that here are some people with a huge gaming and DMing experience. I see it in other threads, everywhere on the forum. But maybe it's just birds of a feather flocking together. People are much more than their written opinion here; it's just the discussion must lead to implementation. To get constructive, I'd prefer not to do unnecessary work, before committing.

So I repeat: I wait for the poll system being implemented on this forum to ask all the "right" questions and get some kind of results. That I would see as a basis for breakdowns and such. With the links provided to show what your opinion and information is based on. That's what would I do. And you?



I don't troll. People simply do not read.

This was your original question:

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"How exactly would you act on feedback provided by the players?

1) Say the nice words, but ultimately doing more of the same as before;
2) Actually considering changing some stuff many fans agree upon, but your team disagrees with (written examples of fan propositions - the boards are ripe with them)?"



This is what I am asking:

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sketch... out what the demographic breakdown would be like at a basic level and what mechanical changes means to each


There is a slight overlap in the request because it's asking a related question but it's also asking you to show what those changes would do to each demographic which then leads to justification after further discussion. All you do is invite people to list how they would change it but not immediately explore the ramifications of those choices -- you allow people to hide by not forcing people to confront those immediate consequences.

And sure you can say that people are very capable of doing the relevant brainwork but they certainly haven't displayed it in actual writing, I am sure they're smart individuals in some fashion or another etc. But do they show it here? No, not really. Like go through this thread and many others and just try to poke holes in everyone's arguments and see what fallacies people manage to stack up. How many is-ought / fact-value errors can you catch along the way? How many issues get conflated? The count goes on and there's little to no accountability.

I see some people with huge gaming and DMing experience, sure, but I also have huge gaming experience. But none of that is actually relevant when it comes to analyzing systems and logic now does it?

It also probably doesn't give you the experience of being open and vulnerable in search for the best solution of any given thing.

Lastly, you say to get constructive you prefer not to do unnecessary work before committing which is fine, but tell me then what is necessary? Where does making sure your argument is as sound as possible stand in your scale?

And what if a poll system never comes to the forum, what then? Are you going to keep on waiting and waiting?

Let me put it this way, you can arrive to a lot of things based on pure reason (which implies genuine discussion) and there are plenty of tools in that domain that are great for abstraction (which is what you're going to do once you break the numbers down anyways). There's also a lot more people can learn from each other while exploring that and refining their opinions to deliver better arguments for why BG3 should tilt one way or another.