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Agreed! I like the way the elves look in this! It's almost like DAI

Don't touch the elves, they look great. Just make humans uglier!

I'm so tired of the fake outrage about 'representation' of some humans subgroups in alien races. What's next? Demanding 2 meters tall Korean-looking dwarfs because it doesn't represent 'me'? Non-human races are not supposed to represent you as a player in any form. All non-human races should not look human. Pick humans or half-humans if you want to model yourself. Nowadays many companies think the 'representation' will make their games good. It won't. They should focus on the plot and scenarios and ignore people with ridiculous demands.



DAI is garbage, nothing to be worth aiming to.


No, they don't look great. They are just humans in BG3.

I understand the argument on making the elves look less human, but what features would they need to include? From my idea I know elves are a humanoid race (same with a lot of the dnd races)

But what could be classed as an elf feature? Super upright eyes? That's still a human feature a lot of people have,

Youd have to make them look completely alien to not look human.

You can still focus on the plot and scenarios since that is a big project! But it is also the little things that make a game enjoyable! Again it is a small request and suggestion! If its offered to put in our ideas why not include the small ones?

It's just a small request please dont get heated at people who just want to see more representation! There is no place for anger just friendly suggestions

And why exactly you want representation in the different species of humanoids? There are humans in the game that can represent exactly you. Why all humanoid species should look like you?

This is not the first thread about elves. The previous ones had some examples from earlier D&D books (3E)
Basically their faces had sharper lines and were more angular than humans.

Bro, what I'm saying is the non human species features just dont have enough diverse options! And I'm not saying it should 100% like me jeez that would be so freaky man! I'm saying it would be nice to have representation! That is all my chum!

Even with non human races you can still include diverse and a range of features WITHOUT making them look too human! That is all!

I dont think you realise how much representation matters man! Even with the human heads the options feel quite naff and you dont have many options!

Bro, what I'm saying is the non human species features just dont have enough diverse options! And I'm not saying it should 100% like me jeez that would be so freaky man! I'm saying it would be nice to have representation! That is all my chum!

Even with non human races you can still include diverse and a range of features WITHOUT making them look too human! That is all!

I dont think you realise how much representation matters man! Even with the human heads the options feel quite naff and you dont have many options!

From the pure biological point of view elves should NOT be diverse. Diversity happen when genes recombine and mutate, which happens every next generation. The shorter is the life span of the species the greater the diversity. According to the lore, elves are virtually immortal therefore they don't have necessary recombination happening, therefore, they should be more look-alike than any other species. If anything, they look way more diverse than it makes sense given circumstances.

Youre right there! but all elves cant look exactly the same!

Youre right there! but all elves cant look exactly the same! Dont forget elves have different sub races and races! I'm pretty sure a sun high elf is gonna look a little different from a moon high elf! And a drow is gonna be completely different looking than a wood elf! Otherwise it's just boring! You need to be able to tell the different variations and why not do that by exploring diversity since there is a wide range of sub races!

I'm so tired of the fake outrage about 'representation' of some humans subgroups in alien races. What's next? Demanding 2 meters tall Korean-looking dwarfs because it doesn't represent 'me'? Non-human races are not supposed to represent you as a player in any form. All non-human races should not look human. Pick humans or half-humans if you want to model yourself. Nowadays many companies think the 'representation' will make their games good. It won't. They should focus on the plot and scenarios and ignore people with ridiculous demands.



DAI is garbage, nothing to be worth aiming to.


No, they don't look great. They are just humans in BG3.

If you've read the thread or even thought about the issue for more than ten seconds it should be clear that "diversification for the sake of diversification" is not what is going on here (and it's laughable that you're holding up the entire genre of science fiction as though it hasn't also had it's issues with representation). If you really want to peddle whataboutism might as well do it to Wizards of the Coast:

Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is strength, for only a diverse group of adventurers can overcome the many challenges a D&D story presents. In that spirit, making D&D as welcoming and inclusive as possible has moved to the forefront of our priorities over the last six years. We’d like to share with you what we’ve been doing, and what we plan to do in the future to address legacy D&D content that does not reflect who we are today. We recognize that doing this isn’t about getting to a place where we can rest on our laurels but continuing to head in the right direction. We feel that being transparent about it is the best way to let our community help us to continue to calibrate our efforts.

One of the explicit design goals of 5th edition D&D is to depict humanity in all its beautiful diversity by depicting characters who represent an array of ethnicities, gender identities, sexual orientations, and beliefs. We want everyone to feel at home around the game table and to see positive reflections of themselves within our products. “Human” in D&D means everyone, not just fantasy versions of northern Europeans, and the D&D community is now more diverse than it’s ever been.

https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/diversity-and-dnd



Some friendly advice back; there is nothing wrong with people getting upset or angry at certain views, and telling people to "be civil" or "calm down" is a common tactic to try to discredit them. Just look at Colin Kaepernick who protested civil rights in an incredibly calm, non-disruptive way and yet he was hounded for not being respectful or civil.



Elves are not presented as aliens, as has been pointed out if any of these elves walked down the street, minus the ears, you'd think nothing of it. If Larian had decided to create novel elven facial features that don't align with any RL ethnicities then you'd have more of a leg to stand on. But they've not done that, they've not indicated they're going to do that, they've made elves with caucasian features. In which case the RL inclusivity argument definitely holds. See above for the statement from wizards.



Your moral integrity isn' in question because you disagree, it's because of how you disagree. Seriously, a slippery slope argument? Asking for a more diverse range of real ethnicities in races that have clearly been based on a real ethnicity is not at all the same as asking that species that do have significantly novel features appear human.

Not that it makes any difference, but Bib Fortuna is a twi’lek too!

It was a joke, but actually I'm completely happy with Astarion's appearance and don't want to see him more "alien". And yes, if you change elves in character creator, you will probably have to change companions as well. I am absolutely against it.

Well, Larian can keep his appearance intact. They just need to make him human. It won't change much because, being a vampire spawn, he can live for a long time.

Isn't Astarion an half helf?