OK, great..Thanks for the reply and hint, I must have missed the book and always placed the helm on Gale before as a filler till the ogres, total excuse really as I have my other half literally laughing at me saying "I told you you need to read things and wear your glasses, now you look silly" I really don't like wearing them unless typing.

We have a saying amongst PC users, Look after your PC ,and That's what I've done and I've maintained it for 20 years, this old PC has had 17 new Cards and 14 new Boards in it's time and it's still the same PC