Originally Posted by Sordak
Spacehamster:
So you have STUDIED "Feminist theory" but evolutionary biology sounds like pseudoscience to you?
yeah lets agree to disagree because i dont think this is going to get anywhere.

Dude, you are so full of it. You used the phrase "Evolutionary Psychology", not evolutionary biology. Big difference. Also, arguing from a point of essentialism that your argument represents the natural order of things is like a century late.

Originally Posted by DuskHorseman
I'd actually like to throw my hat into the ring on this one: I think that Wyll is actually a decent example of fairly healthy masculinity. The man is relentlessly nice to you. One especially clear example is the Tiefling party where everyone is like "Oh you're sleeping with them? Ok suuuure." but Wyll just congratulates you and moves on. He never claims to be in charge, never criticizes you unless you do something incredibly heinous, and very rarely fits the toxic masculinity talking points on @Kadajko's little chart. He actually firs the "natural masculine" section very well. I also never really saw his journey for heroism to be him trying to live up to an impossible standard, but rather him trying to improve himself. We know that Wyll used to be a *really* bad person. He was a spoiled nobleman, then a thief, then a member of the Fist. He then fell in with Mizora, which is something he is, by the time we meet him, actively trying to rectify. The only possible thing that could be percieved as "toxic masculinity" about him is his anger issues. Other than that, Wyll is a rather masculine man who is healthy, supportive, and nothing but kind to you.

I like Wyll, too. I didn't mean that he was a bad person. I totally imagine my pc being mates with him. I meant that his insecurities about himself, as the so-called Blade of Frontiers, spring from his insecurities about being the Man. On the note that he was only trying to improve himself, well he chose the short cut approach on that front, with the devil's deal, so he had a sort of hybris, a dramatic sin in that regard (which in my mind makes his story even more compelling). The point I was trying to make that he was a masculine guy (reacting to posts claiming that he was too feminine for some reason).

Last edited by spacehamster95; 23/12/20 01:04 PM.