Originally Posted by Kadajko
Originally Posted by Sordak
Some of these qualities are diametrically opposed however. And sometimes it just takes two people to tackle a problem.

Sure, but it doesn't matter which side you are on regardless of your sex.

Originally Posted by Sordak
Men and women are literaly made for one another. i dont know how such a wholesome statement could be considered so controversial.

Sure. I don't think it's controversial, if we are talking about reproduction.

Originally Posted by Sordak
For what its worth, men and women do things differently and thus they get things done.

Individuals do things differently regardless of their sex.

Originally Posted by Sordak
Id like to remind you of that book about a woman who decided to live as a man for a year, only to discover that despite herself seeing herself as a very masculine woman, men saw her as an overly feminine men when disguised.

Haven't read the book, but I guess she had a faulty perception of how masculine she actually was.

Originally Posted by Sordak
Im not saying you CANNOT have feminine traits as a man and vice versa.
Im saying that youll eventually be a man with some feminine qualities. These cannot just be swapped around.

What are you even trying to say here? I am confused. You just said that you can have feminine traits as a man, that means you can be a feminine man.. so what cannot be swapped?


Originally Posted by Sordak
And this only takes into account a single Human beeing.
Once you introduce more people (such as in lets say an adventuring party) you start getting group behaviours which are even more influenced by evolutionary biology.
Read up on the American military and how group dynamics change when women and men are in mixed units.
The same behaviour when done by a man and by a woman will have a different effect.

If you put a bunch of feminine men and a bunch of masculine men into the same unit the dynamic will also be different than if it was a group of all likeminded individuals. Once again, sex is irrelevant, it's the individual.

Originally Posted by Sordak
This is due to men and women beeing different, having different bodies and having different evolutionary pressures.

Individuals also have different biology. I know there are tendencies, but in society we ought to judge everyone on an individual basis. Also one thing you have to understand is that biology is often dumb and it is not in your best interest to blindly follow it, I'll give you an example:

I had an ear canal infection once, which messed up my vestibular system, during that time I had motion sickness and constantly wanted to vommit, because my lizard brain thought that it's because I ate something poisonous, but I knew better because I was diagnosed at the hospital, so fought the urge to vommit constantly to keep down the food and water to get well faster rather than give into the instinct and be sick while hungry and dehydrated.

Sordak is pushing a bunch of nonsense based upon a very poor understanding of the world, but there should be some clarification. People tend to have specific internal qualities that come from nature - and certain ones are possessed by most people coded XX and other ones are possessed by most people coded XY, but not the other way around. Very few people, if any, have all the markers of XX or XY, but there are tendencies. In essence, these mark out gender; this is what is internal and defines someone. On top of this, you have societally made gender roles which shape men and women to act in specific ways artificially such as that women should stay at home or that it is the man's job to protect the home and provide or that men are always in charge. The societal stuff is what tends to be toxic because it is designed to maintain a specific societal structure that has a specific purpose - which in our case is a patriarchal structure where property is passed on through men and men want to make sure that the children they are handing it down to are theirs. Of course, some people are born in bodies that are identified as masculine but their internal gender is feminine and vice versa. There are women who are born into bodies that are coded XY. There are intersex people that are coded XXXY or XXY or XYY or XXYY, etc who aren't coded so clearly. There are people born in the Carribbean as little girls then during puberty they grow penises and easily adapt to being men despite being raised as women.

Sordak's views come from those artificial gender roles that oppress men and women alike and a lack of knowledge about how human biology actually works beyond a fourth grade level. He wants to play in 1e as originally written before everyone disregarded the rules on gender because they were horribly oppressive and added nothing to the game.