As I said: medieval setting implies intollerance and prejudice.
Actually, no, it doesn't. That's a pure historical fallacy with no basis in any historical fact. It's a false assumption that, more than anything else, has traditionally been used either to make historical reports glorify their 'much more enlightened' modern way, OR by bigots to justify their bigotry. Please do some research before you parrot stuff like that; it's harmful to honest discussions.
(and again: thieflings are the offsprings of demons, they are the offsprings of beings whose only purpose is to corrupt, bring chaos, nurture mayhem, that crave for reckless and complete devious moral acts, they're not a race with demon like appeareance. I get the will to be incusive and so on, but in any setting I'll find naive that people that litterally descend from demons is accepted like there was no problem. I know the sins of the parents shouldn't fall upon the sons and daughters, but one thing is a sin and a fault another complete different thing is when you are litteraly blood related not only to demons themselves but to beings like Baal).
No, they're not. That's the point that you're missing. They have fiendish (by the way, important distinction; you can have demonic tieflings, devilish tieflings and even lothic tieflings; all quite different, all are fiendish as an overarching category) influence upon them sufficiently enough to affect their outward appearance in visible ways, and to sometimes grant minor abilities, no stronger than the things elves are innately born to. How they came to be that way is quite a varied spread of possibility, but the one thing they aren't is direct near-blood descent of fiends. Some have never had a fiend anywhere near their bloodline AT ALL - they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time when a planar brushing happened. They are equivalent to plane-touched; it just happens that the plane they're touched by is the hells, or the abyss.
Incidentally, do remember that Baal was a mortal human adventurer before he won his godhood.
Seriously I don't get the reasons to play a race that descends from demons, that fall in the domain of Asmodeus, Baal and so on and get surprised that they are regarged in a suspicious way and are targets of intollerance.
Yes, they often face wariness and mistrust... generally from people, and I am sorry to say this... like you are acting right now. They aren't in the domain of dark gods, unless they are of specific tiefling lines that have been cultivated and watched by their influencing patron (which is a specific thing and not the norm), at least not innately, no more than any other mortal is.
I have a question: how many of us, no matter how hard we try in our lives not to be ridden with prejudice and intollerance, would easily welcome someone who is blood related with the devil themself, and furthermore have as guardian deities the likes like Asmodeus, Baal, and Beelzebub? I don't require an answer I just put the question aloud putting in place all the factors that characterize the thiefling race) a race that in D&D has it angelic counterpart in the Aaasimars.
A fairly irrelevant question, since it has no bearing on what tieflings are. But I'd be duly wary of a Cambion in my home, certainly. Especially one who had deities acting as their guardian - but that's a pretty improbably situation and a ridiculous assertion, since none of that happens day to day or is in any real way related to the discussion of tieflings. Tieflings are not fiends; they don't register on special sense that are specifically tuned to pick up fiendish creatures and evil things. They don't. They aren't. That's a fact. Aasimar are not celestials; they don't register on any special senses or spells designed to detect the presence of celestial creatures or goodly beings; They don't; they aren't; these are facts.
None of this is new lore; there is no modern-day retcon here; this is how they have always been.
Still the Goblins fear them, and not only because of the tadpole, hell all Faerun fears them. And that because they are followers of Loth thus they are involved since birth in internal fights, master betrayal and manipulation, learn to use other sentient beings as tools for their own plans.[quote[
So... Goblins fear the drow because of their actions, their cultural behaviour and their active belief systems and how they execute them. Yes, that makes sense.
[quote]The why do Goblins don't fear people that have the blood of demons flowing in their veins and that follow Baal, Asmodeus, Beelzebub (also known as three demon princes above all the others and only below Lucifer himself)? That is a complete lack of logic.
Because they don't. Not automatically or innately; individuals might, just as any individual mortal might. Also, please keep you 'this-world' religious pantheon and beliefs out of this conversation. It has no place here. Baal was a mortal human ascended to godhood, and is now the lord of murder, Asmodeus is the lord of the nine hells - a god in his own right now, and not a prince at all (the title of which has distinctly different connotations), and no such entities as beelzebub or lucifer exist here, at least not on a greater-entity scale.
Tieflings aren't devil-worshippers, and they aren't followers of dark gods, unless an individual chooses to be so. That's something that you're putting on them that simply isn't the case. They don't HAVE a cultural background or practice that unifies them as a race because they come from and are born to all kinds of different cultural background and races; a tiefling born to elven parents, if they are accepted and raised by their parents, will likely have elven sensibilities. A tiefling born to halfling parents will develop a grounding in halfling cultural norms; humans are everywhere and have so many different cultural sets that a tiefling born to human parents might have any kind of upbringing under the sun. There is no 'tiefling culture'. THAT is one of the interesting racial tension points that can be explored, because they are usually treated as a unified race of people, but in reality they aren't one.
That highlights another big problem of D&D: if they don't want to delve in the problems of racism and intollerance they had to change the pantheons they built up. Lets be serious, how would you act if you had to interact with someone that belongs to a culture that is faithful to a god whos domain is treachery, murder, chaos? Or to a god whose domain is pure violence done for its own sake? Or a deity that wants human sacrifices?
Again, no-one is saying that these things shouldn't exist in the setting. They are things to be resisted by goodly characters, and they have a place. What they shouldn't be is the pervading background norm that players are expected to just put up with coming from almost everyone around them, directed towards almost everyone else, and be told in no uncertain terms that this is just 'okay', and that everyone thinks that it's okay and normal - the game does that by putting it there in the dialogue and not giving us any opportunity to reject it, at ANY point.
Worshippers of evil gods generally don't advertise the fact because they will be made unwelcome, if not actively driven out, by a community of more or less goodly people. They only tend to act openly in the service of their gods when they are amongst fellows, or when they are acting overtly and openly against a group of people in their deity's name.
Personally, it still bugs me that pain domain is considered evil; loviator's priests (despite depiction in this game) value pain as an expression of life, yes, but they do not believe in permanent injury or disfiguration, and causing lasting harm of any sort is seen as a grievous failure. They practice very good aftercare, generally speaking, and most temples to loviator that are permitted to exist in the open (a rarity, granted), offer their dedications freely, but without pressure or compulsion.
Still... Yes; I'd be duly cautious of someone who chose to worship a dark deity, and I'd certainly keep my eye on them. But what does that have to do with tieflings?
About the Tieflings, well - there is only one thing I truly wonder about and that is why the "Blacksmith Tiefling" has eyes less Infernal like all the others. Thats it.
Or why Zevlor has very cool eyes and everyone else's log like a placeholder in comparisation.
We desperately need more tiefling customisation options. Tieflings come in all sorts of looks and appearances, and we haven't even started to scratch the surface of what should be possible yet. We need a lot more on this score.
Seems to me the real problem is tieflings. They are hellspawn. Can't change that.
No, they aren't. That's the point. They are no more hellspawn than genasi are elementals or assimar are celestial; they are not those things. This isn't new. This is how they have been since their inception. 'Hellspawn' is a slur that some people use, but it is just that - a slur. It is not factual.
