Originally Posted by BladeDancer
Originally Posted by fallenj
Originally Posted by BladeDancer
I honestly don't care what is canon
So you're saying your previous posts and future posts are not cannon or based on cannon, thanks for the heads up.

Let me give you a heads up that doesn't give you room to jump the gun. What I actually mean is if lore from a D&D novel or game contradicts the lore told from a D&D source book, then it can't be canon, you have to do your own research to see which version corresponds with the general lore

Case in point: The Pool of Radiance novelization and Pools of Darkness novelization and Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor novelization are canon over the game versions they are based on, and I'll tell you why.

Pool of Radiance: First of all, the story is chronologically set in 1340 DR, 28 years after the Icewind Dale 2 game, and 28 years before Baldur's Gate 1. While neither the game or novel version of Pool of Radiance doesn't contradict anything, the novel must be canon because two of the three main characters, Shal Bal and Tarl Desenea get married and have a son who grows up to be the main character of the novel "Pools of Twilight", a completely original story set one year after Baldur's Gate 2 part 2 Throne of Bhaal and one year before Neverwinter Nights.


Pools of Darkness: This one is a doozy. The novel is canonically set 10 years after the Pool of Radiance novel and 8 years before the Time of Troubles. Although the game version is supposed to be the last game in the Pool of Radiance series released in the late 80's and early 90's, it can't be set anywhere near the year when the Time of Troubles happened because of how involved the god of tyranny, Bane, one of the Dead Three is in the story.

The game version of Pools of Darkness makes it clear in the intro that Bane had been pulling the strings of the evil forces that haunted the game version heroes in "Secret Of The Silver Blades", and player characters can be imported to these games from "Pool of Radiance". And canonically, the "Curse Of Azure Bonds" game should take place AFTER the "Azure Bonds" novel, and the "Azure Bonds" novel itself is in 1357 DR (even though it was released alongside the Pool of Radiance games), seven years after the "Pools of Darkness" novel. So since Alias the red haired swordswoman who is the main character of the Azure Bonds novel and appears in the Curse of the Azure Bonds game hasn't been artificially born yet, Tyranthraxus, the main villain of the Pool of Radiance should not know about the Azure Bond curse in 1350 DR, which is why the Pools of Darkness game version cannot be canon.


Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor: The novelization is more canon than the game it is based on because in the game's intro, the narrator reveals that the game (and the novel) is in the Year of the Gauntlet (1369 DR, IN THE SAME YEAR AS BALDUR'S GATE 2 SHADOWS OF AMN!), but the events of Pool of Radiance happened "NINE SUMMERS AGO", which means the game version assumes Pool of Radiance happened in the summer of 1360 DR! That can't be true because that would mean Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades and Pools of Darkness are all set in 1360 DR and possibly a couple years afterwards. If you don't understand why that's a big problem for the Forgotten Realms lore, remember that Bane, the god of tyranny died in the Time of Troubles (which happened in the Year of Shadows, 1358 DR), and he needs to be alive to play his vital role in Pools of Darkness game version's story, otherwise the timeline of events would be screwed up badly.


In short, here's the short timeline of the games and novels I mentioned in this post go.


Icewind Dale - 1281 DR

Icewind Dale 2 -1312 DR

Pool of Radiance (novel version) - 1340 DR

Pools of Darkness (novel version) - 1350 DR

Azure Bonds - 1357 DR

Curse of the Azure Bonds - Marpenoth (October) 1357 DR (a couple months after Azure Bonds)

Secret of the Silver Blades - 1358 DR

Baldur's Gate 1 and Siege of Dragonspear - Summer to Winter of 1368 DR

Baldur's Gate 2 Shadows of Amn - Spring of 1369 DR to 1370 DR

Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor (novel version) - Summer of 1369 DR

Baldur's Gate 2 Throne of Bhaal - 1370 DR

Neverwinter Nights - 1372 DR

Truthfully just wanted to see what you were going say. I replied a while back on one of your canon posts that the newest FR campaign guide wasn't on the list. 4e players handbook & campaign guide and never got a reply. Looked up official canon for FR and there is none.

If I remember correctly heard the only thing that mattered was how each story lined up.

So ya, you can make up whatever you want as canon.