It's not a secret to the player because it's pretty easy to run into the chance to join it.
I never claimed its "well hidden secret, that one must uncover for hours.
Just a secret ... from definition, anything people dont tell you can be concidered a secret.
If you follow Wyll's plan to take out the goblin leaders-which is necessary to complete his companion quest-then you'll walk into Minthara and she'll present to you the option to join in on the attack at the grove and you'll have the option to join it.
Well, yes ... but patch 3 added there some inner speaking, that i cant quite quote, since its some time allready ... where your character is thinking about using that option to simply lure her out and take advantage against her and her army.
Thanks for letting me know. I have not managed to get to the Underdark at all, the puzzle was bugged in my first playthrough and I haven't been able to get through another despite starting a couple.
Are you absolutely sure? Since i allready seen some people saing that puzzle was bugged ... yet they just had it the other way round.
Also, there are if i count right at least 4 entrances into the underdark ... you just need to keep searching.
- The temple of Selune
- Zentharim hideout
- Hag's house cellar
- Spider cave hole
He offers a cure? I thought Volo was just some bard. Clearly I need to interact with him next time because I want to know what that's about.
Yeah ... just make sure you saved your game.
When I say trust here, I mean trust that they have the capacity, the actual ability to help you at all. Not that they will help you, but that they have anything to actually offer you.
Actualy you do ...
As i described abowe, and as you confrimed.
They all 3 are tadpoled ... they are tadpoled certainly longer than you ... they are perfectly healthy ... therefore they are protected ... what have they in common, they all worship the same new Goddess, that seem to be connected to tadpoles ... therefore maybe if i wish to be protected to study my condition, i need to join them ...
I would not be able to join them, if i massacre them for Tieflings ... Do i care about Tieflings? Nope. Do i care about the Druids? Not even close. Do i owe anything to them? Nah. ... Is there any reason to let them stand in my way? Not at all.
And even more actualy you dont even need to believe even that.
Lets say if you create character simmilar to Wyll, or someone with his Ego ... you might not even care about tadpole, since he actualy seem to not care about anything too much.
that's me saying that it's failing to be the equally viable branch it seems like it's being presented as
And therefore asumption that should be "equally viable branch it seems like it's being presented as" ... might be false. O_o
Like how if you show me a car and I say that it's not driving because it's missing parts, I'm not saying that it's not a car, I'm saying that it's a broken car.
This is not good example, since you know its a car and there is no doubt, and no argue about it.
It seems, to use simmilar example ...
Like you were examining an engine ... you would presume its a Car engine, even tho some parts dont quite look like other Car engines you know, but concidering its veight, its size, and look of those parts you recognize ... it seem a lot like Car engine ...
Then you find out its Bike engine, pretty massive one, and certainly that kind you would never expect in Bike ... but that dont change its purpose.
someone who knows they've got a tadpole and thinks that the cult looks good
There is your contradiction ...
Base thesis of cult is that everyone in its leadership believes that their powers, are given by their Goddess ... not by parasitic tadpole.
So anyone involved fiting those parameters ... could not be involved from that reason.
Frankly, I think that even just having a member of your party being in favour of the cult would achieve more or less the same result. Someone making a case that joining the cult is a good idea. They don't need to be anymore trustworthy than any of the people pointing you to Halsin.
Yes, that sounds like good possibility.
I thinked that you mean some NPC from within the cult.
And since Larian confrimmed that we dont have all companions so far, its still potentialy opened.
On anothr note, I just want to make sure you know that while I am arguing against your points, I don't intend there to be any contention. I think your points are all valid and while I disagree, I do understand where you're coming from.
My intention was never to persuade anyone, i simply state my opinion ...
As long as its clear, i have good feeling that i did my job right.
Who will take what of it, that is not up to me to decide.
Im glad there is at least someone on this forum capable of actual discusion ... so far i usualy get only repeating the same.
You kill someone in their own grove so guests/visitors can stay. Pretty evil.
More like "so people who were offered asylum from actual leader of the grove are not driven out to certain death" ...
But if killing someone in their own grove is a evil thing ... is killing Goblins, or even just their leaders, inside their own camp also Evil?
Killing someone just to drive a group of refugees out. Pretty evil.
I see you probably didnt tryed that option ...
I should be more specific, my misstake.
In this case you are simple messenger, you are coming to Zevlor with message from Kagha, that she is demanding his people to move out right now ... she even asked you to offer them guarding on the way. Sadly, you never get to that, since once you get Zevlor Kagha's message, he attacks you.
Killing a creature just so another tribe can settle there. Evil.
I wonder how do you like human history.
Is also evil to wipe out Kobold nest to build a safer village there?
Its also evil to kill Kobolds around that same village a hundert years later, since those creatures are "endangering the helpless people who lives there for generations" ?
Poisoning sentient creatures, including children just so some random wild animal can escape is evil. (The killing in itself isn't neccesarily as goblins are evil creatures themselves. Poisoning might be closest to the morally grey, but the context here and the reason is kind of bad)
To be specific, goblins are Neutral Evil ... meaning pure pragmatism and selfishness.
I dont see much difference from humans, to be honest.
Sentience is relevant therm ...
Especialy since Larian created "talk with animals" like they are completely able to create whole sentences.
Also you helped that animal, so it can escape all torture and misstreatment it would get from goblins ... quite noble act, if you ask me.
You are just diminishing that animal, since it walks on all four limbs, and it dont talk usual way ...
I believe in world, where is pretty much possible to walk into half man half dragon / cat / hyena / bird / snake / lizzard / even the elephant ... and many more, the expresion of "sentient" is a little loosened.
Morally gray is not just doing a bad thing for a good cause, that is not how Forgotten Realms work. It may be a thing for anti-heroes, sure. But those are not really morally gray in these situations. Killing people/stuff just to get something done is kind of easily defined as evil
You seem to have different definion than myself ...
You are only talking about what is not morally gray ... rather tell me what is?
I dunno ... it seems to me like all that Good / Neutral / Evil aligment stuff in DnD is working only with postscript "toward protagonists" ...
I dont believe that if one Goblin do something to another being, they concider that to be Evil ... those are simply things they usualy do, nothing more.
