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old hand
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old hand
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I don't feel betrayed because of D&D. I'm not a D&D player, just a video game player... but I feel "betray" because the game doesn't feel like Baldur's Gate (or any other tabletop video game adaptation, including ToEE) at all and because it's a cheap tactical turn base game.
My first concern is not the "faithfull 5e implementation", but obviously everything that has been changed by Larian drive the game away from my expectations.
I'm here because of "the name" but I'm a huge fan of tactical TB game and I'm fine with many things in BG3... They did a great job on many points and the game has an awesome potential but the "Larian layer" upon D&D seems to be all what I don't like in BG3.
As a results it leads to many inconsistencies whatever we're talking about the story or the world. They completely altered the reality of the classic fantasy world in which our journey take place and I don't like the silly (some would say funny) things they added.
On the other hand, to me combats is one of the main features I like in a tactical TB game. According to me combats in BG3 are poor and repetitive, determined by the limited but OP Larian's custom rules.
I'm not a D&D expert but I know the PHB pretty well now and it looks like it has all the materials to create a real and deep tactical turn based video game...
That's why the rules implementation is important to me. It could leads to a more consistent setting and to better tactical combats.
At the moment the game looks more like an assembly of elements than a coherent whole. You see a sex scene and the next second you're a kangaroo in combats... You learn that goblins can't find the druid grove but you walk 3 min between both... You're exploring the dangerous underdark but the next second you're safe outside... Not sure those exemples are the best but you'll probably get the idea. I have mixed feelings about these "nonsensical" situations (Like Sazza running from the grove to the goblin camp and then silently waiting outside until YOU show up to lead the goblins back.) But, the first module I DM'ed was "B2 The Keep on the Borderlands", created by Gary Gygax. It has a cave complex inhabited by all kinds of different creatures who somehow form an ecosystem together. When you get out of the caves, you're kind of safe and can go back to the keep to rest. It was a beginner's module to learn the game. So maybe we should not try to rationalize too much this L1-L4 intro. We want the tabletop D&D atmosphere ? Think of your first L1 adventure. I'm sure there were some incongruities in it also. Moving the grove and the ruined temple/city complex away to realistic distances might be detrimental to the gameplay, expecially at L1-L3 stage. So for this (and some other spatial and temporal strangeness) I don't want to judge Larian too harshly. I don't think it's outside the typical D&D beginners module setup. (At least not at the good old first edition times)
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