At least if they are going to pidgeonhole tieflings into caster play, they could have done a +2 CHA/INT/WIS to cover the caster specs, and they would still probably come out worse than a wood elf or any elf for that matter in any of the caster classes because it's hard to beat 1.5 extra movement and better stealth on top of sleep immunity/charm saving throw or superior dark vision for landing spells in the underdark or the extra perception, or the extra proficiencies.

Tieflings needs something more than just fire resistance because CHA +2 is nowhere near enough to not make them a trap race.

And it's always this garbage argument of "you don't need to optimize, this is an RPG", and the answer to that asinine retort is, it's hard to RP freely when you know you're handicapped and notice the handicaps in the gameplay. Besides, if you're so nonchalant about not optimizing, then don't do it yourself; but why do you care if other players want to be able to have many alternative races to be similarly optimized?

It's almost this cultish, religious attachment to "well, these racials are what is in the rule book right now, which means they should remain this way because I want the game to be a 3D rulebook because it's the rulebook". Just because something IS does not mean it OUGHT to be.

Last edited by Zenith; 16/03/21 11:17 PM.