Originally Posted by mrfuji3
Originally Posted by Grudgebearer
Originally Posted by Topgoon
His point is that for a level 1 spell, a 10ft flame surface that does 1d6 per round (on a highly escapable surface, DEX ST for to negate after the initial round, isn't by any means game-breaking for the cost of a level 1 spell slot. Considering that Burning Hands is a 15 ft cone for 3d6 DEX ST for half. I assume calling it a 8d6 DEX ST save-for-half fireball is strictly hyperbole.

All this means is Larian is deviating from 5e core rules - which we all know already.

Would it make you feel better if I'd referred to is at 'fireball-lite''? It doesn't change the fact that the change takes what is supposed to be a spell that impacts mobility, and turns it into an attack spell. When combined with the broken sneak mechanic, you can cast grease in a surprise round from 60 feet out, and immediately cast firebolt easy as an opening salvo at level 1. There's no comparison to burning hands which at least requires you to somewhat risk being close to melee combat to offset the damage it does.
I think there is a slight misunderstanding here. I am in NO WAY arguing for Larian to implement this. No more BG3 surfaces than there already are. Honestly, I don't know anything about BG3's implementation of grease...I assume it catches fire and explodes, knocking people prone, dealing instant fire damage, and then catching them on fire?

I'm arguing for grease catching fire in tabletop. Or, at least, saying I'd rule that my games. In tabletop, given that most DMs would prevent a "broken sneak attack mechanic," its effectiveness is way lessened. If it catches fire (not explodes) and deals a small amount of damage (e.g., Dex ST for 1d6 fire damage) to people, then I don't think that's overpowered.
In your example where a torch is placed down first, then the grease immediately catches fire and would not make enemies fall prone. Basically it turns Grease into a ranged Burning Hands with ~1/3 the effectiveness and a smaller area, which I'd argue is a very poor use of a 1st level spell slot. Magic missile would do more damage.

it does not per the both the description of the spell, which says nothing about it catching fire, and per the direct quote of the creator of 5E rules, who also said no, it does not catch fire.

What you do in your home game is on you, what Larian has done by making it catch fire in BG, is just another example of their meddling with the rules, completely changing the utility of the spell.

Again, there is no comparison to burning hands, burning hands requires your wizard to close to within 15 feet to cast the spell, that's the tradeoff, you have to get close to combat. Flammable grease can be cast from 60 feet onto a fire source itself to catch fire or can have a simple candle thrown on it to ignite it, and creates a burning surface that enemies now how to avoid or take damage.

It's utility goes far beyond the simple damage of magic missile.