Hi @Aestus_RPG smile

I had to step back and take a deep breath, after reading your article (big rogue fan here). The writing is excellent, it's more the content that I have ... "different views" smile

I believe you rank the rogue tier C because of the rational highlighted in the text bellow:
"The biggest problem is that off-hand attacks are not very good unless you have the TWF Fighting Style offered by Fighters and Rangers. Without TWF, you do not get to add your ability modifier to your attack roles or damage, and this drastically undercuts the efficiency of dual-wielding."

To me, this is a bug. When you use [2 finesse+light] weapons, you get dual wielding and your dex modifier on the offhand. On internet, some people claim that there is no such thing as "offhand" in the 5th edition hence with light/finesse weapon in both hands you gain the same bonus. Currently on path 4, if you mouse over the offhand, you get see the dex modifier, however it's not applied when you check the log after doing damage with the offhand. That's a bug, it was working up to patch 3.

Now, as I am writing this, I realize that my comment might be seen as "outrageous", especially that I am no gamer nor a D&D expert, so who the "beep" am I to claim that. And I am quite discourage right now as I am trying to find the text in the 5th edition PHB about this claim. Seriously, you need a PHD in D&D to understand all this ..

All I have is the following, if you scroll down at "why is this so important" the guy says it, but I would agree that this is no reliable source - it's not the "holly book" / player hand book.

https://rpg.stackexchange.com/quest...acking-with-rapier-or-two-dagger-attacks


If this turns out to be right, though (and I'm saying it's right until a hard proof) then I will be ready to argue that the rogue is a Tier S, according to your definition. until then, just make it tier S because Zenith and I say so. ok ? smile

Last edited by Starlights; 25/03/21 02:44 AM.

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