Originally Posted by Zenith
Originally Posted by soulstalker
My mistake then I thought they picked land type when they picked the sub class at lvl 2

No moon shouldn’t get it but circle of the land does get higher Cr creature access in this game then they should at lvl 2


Why does it matter? The forms are weak and useless, and Land druids will never use a form because doing so is not a bonus action, but a whole action, and a total laibility.

Wolf form has 23 measly HP, and that's the most you get as a Land druid. And for what, with the garbage 12-13 AC forms have, meaning your forms won't last beyond a turn.

And forms don't do crap for damage, you do more with your one handed club with Shillelagh, you can't reposition moonbeam or flame sphere, you can't cast healing word as a bonus action heal.

Druid forms are totally worthless in EA when you can go land, sit in Humanoif with scale mail+1 with shield at 19-21 AC, and since Land Druids have mirror images and Moon druids do not, that's 30-27-24 AC for the next 3 turns, being far more survivable and with way more damage output and utility.

Because even if you wanted to play using forms the wild shape options for moon druid exclusively have been made as crap, I wouldn't even call them loosely DnD 5e stat blocks. They are so awful that you don't really gain much difference with forms between circle of the land and circle of the moon so far in BG3, certainly not enough of a difference to not just go circle of the land over circle of the moon and get the extra stuff from there. Circle of the moon in BG3 so far is so gimped due to its severely under powered wild shapes that it is not worth it to specialize in it over circle of the land. In dice and paper DnD 5e , sure i would most hardily say go circle ofthe moon over circle of the land, but it is no question to me that circle of the land is better by leaps and bounds then circle of the moon in BG3 because of there i guess paranoia of giving us things like multiattack at lvl 2. It also shows Larion has completely no understanding of druid in DnD 5e and its unique power curves compared to other classes. They need a major overhaul on there wild shape forms . they need to put in things that are supposed to be there as in the dnd 5e stat blocks. Stuff like multiattack, what a creatures speeds actually are, what there HP and AC is. Do they have darkvision? giant spider should be able to hang from the ceiling or walk up walls due to spider climb ability. All that stuff is the minimum I feel that will make people happy with wild shape... also look at what CR your giving moon druid vs land druid... it matters. sure give land druid more the utility forms starting at CR 1/4 and expanding up to CR 1/2 at lvl 4, and all the way up to CR 1 at lvl 8. Any other way is a slap in the face to Moon druid. Moon druid should get all of those plus a collection of combat related forms that are CR 1, and then Cr forms starting at lvl 6 at CR2 and then up 1 CR lvl every 3 druid levels afterward.

Last edited by soulstalker; 05/04/21 09:07 PM.