Originally Posted by Niara
right now, they're things like "You can only threaten to eviscerate this cretin if you happen to be one of those "Racially Evil Drow!"", "You can only plead for people to clam down and not get into a fight if you're one of those "Racially Pacifistic Halflings"" and "You can only be incredulous about space travel if you're a "Racially Bumpkin-like Halfling""... no-one else is allowed to suggest those things, when ANYONE should be able to, regardless of their race!
Limitations of dialogues in RPG is known issue for last few decades ...
But you are still completely able to threaten "cretin" ... not just with the same words, and those words you mentioned are used only by Evil Drow, since tat Evil Drow is using natural fear of his race on someone ...
NO Halfling will ever be scarry, when he will talking about how they do think in Menzoberranzan. laugh
But he still can threaten others, just will have to find some own mojo ...

If you find some options to be missing, its not fault of racial tag ...
Its just missing options. laugh

I must say tho, it would be certainly interesting to allow Seladine Drow to pretend they are Llolth-sworn ... for surface dwellers it should be quite easy, and it could provide some bonuses to threatening ... but in Underdark, or when talking to specific NPC that can tell the difference, it should provide us disadvantage.
I would love such thing.

Originally Posted by Niara
Funnily enough, if they actually re-worked the character creation screen so that it was all individual sub-race picks, without the stepped category or race and sub-race, a lot of this issue would be less of a problem... If your choices were simply one level of race choice, listing "Lightfoot Halfling", "Stoutheart Halfling", "Wood-elf", "Sun-Elf", "Drow", "Rock Gnome", "Forest Gnome", etc... then there would be no game-level declaration of Drow as separate racially from elves, and the choice of whether you socially follow lolth and her culture, or don't, could just be a drow choice within that pick, and not a classification of race or subrace... If it were set up like that (and they dropped the lolth-marked eyes rubbish), I may not have even made this thread... It wouldn't be an ideal fix, but it would be very close to an acceptable one...
Kinda too many words, since the only change you made is merge Seladine and Llolth-sworn Drow into single race. laugh

Im sory, but i DO want Drow to be separate racially from elves ...
Since they are. :-/ Actualy in litteraly every matter, social, kultural, appearance, racial traits, stat bonuses, the way world see them ... all of it. :-/
If you want Drow to be just another elves, since they are elves with "only different skin collor" ... then i want Gnomes to be just another elves, since they are elves with "only different size". :-/

Originally Posted by GM4Him
I actually think itd be better for Larian if they'd just did make alignment part of creation so it limited your particular character's dialogue choices. Wouldn't that be easier than trying to make sure all dialogue options were available for all characters?
Im affraid not ...
Its much easier ot create 9 dialogue options and allow us to decide wich one is fitting us the best, than create 9 dialogue options, then redistribue them between 9 alignments ... then create some more, so it dont feel so empty ... and then constantly hearing people sobing about provided options dont fit them enough, knowing that there is actualy allready implemented option that would fit them perfectly, its just hidden under another alignment. laugh

Originally Posted by GM4Him
Either way, I also think deity should be a choice at creation for all characters. Not a race choice but deity choice.
It certainly should, but at same time, i would like to allow both Seladine Drow, and Llolth-Sworn Drow to pick any other deity ... i mean, i would have no problem with renaming those two races, if that is what bothers people ... but i still want both Evil and at least Not-so-Evil society of Drows.
Its culture vs. individual ... and personaly i believe it would be shame to loose this. frown

Originally Posted by Zarna
Originally Posted by GM4Him
Heck, choosing deity could be used to determine alignment.
I don't think this should determine alignment though, maybe if the one step rule was brought back it would be tolerable. It is still rather restricting, some people may want to play as followers of one deity or be a certain alignment and as the story progresses they will want to change as their character develops.
And how about some kind of "sugestions" in dialogues?
Like i dunno ... change collor of that dialogue option, or add a little star to certain dialogue option ... just something (optionaly turnable on/off, ofcourse) that tell people something like:
"You created worshipper of Tyr ... this dialogue options is fitting Tyr's expectations the best ... but the choice is obviously yours."

Last edited by RagnarokCzD; 21/04/21 11:35 AM.

I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown