Originally Posted by Tarlonniel
Originally Posted by Maximuuus
Originally Posted by Alexandrite
Personally, I play games to get away from those things for a little while.

That's really sad.

Uh oh, I think we've found someone who thinks escapism is a dirty word. I'd call down the wrath of J.R.R. Tolkien's On Fairy-Stories, except I'd rather go have fun playing a video game than deal with this real life crap... grin

Originally Posted by Boblawblah
Originally Posted by Maximuuus
Originally Posted by Alexandrite
Personally, I play games to get away from those things for a little while.

That's really sad.

huh, I think it's totally normal and healthy smile

Yes. Thank you both. Wanting a break from IRL is not bad in any way, and it does not mean by default that something is wrong with a individual in any way. Having your brain work with creative stories, fantasies and imagination is a clear sign of a healthy and functional brain - a concept that far and widely spread among most psychological institutes. Unfortunately, many adults lose their creativity and imagination as they grow older due to focusing too much on the "adult stuff" in real life, and that is... Unfortunate. :[ Many great authors and scientists, encourage adults to continue to stimulate their childish side (don't stigmatize the word <3) by engaging in curiosity, imagination, creativity and fantasy.

And this is EXACTLY what games like BG3 does and that is EXACTLY why games like BG3 are awesome. laugh

Either way, I believe both Larian and I would like to leave as much of the irl discussion back as possible - so addressing the other part of the conversation:


Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer
It is a very widespread common - and very dumb - misconception to believe that "adult" = grim, however, this is not so.

"Adult" means for me, a 50 years old man, this :

Bureaucracy (like paying taxes)
Chronic illnessess
Being a disabled person myself ("Well, that is why I don't have a hand anymore.")
Myasthenia
Lookism ("Uh, that one is looking so ugly, I won't give him the job !")
Birthday parties ("Which of our friends are we going to invite so nobody feels like being neglected ?"
- "So, our kid wants to throw a party. How many children can we endure ?"
- So, our teenager had been throwing a party while we were visiting Aunt Whatshername - and now we have destroyed furniture, painted walls, the bad smell of far too much alcohol, a teenager in a police cell, and I think something was stolen too. And who put the hamster into the microwave oven ? Thank god nobody turned that thing on !")
Avoiding bullies (for example in the tram) and extremists
Violence in general (hooligans, criminals)
Washing dirty clothes (yes, that is something that needs to be done as well !)
Washing the disjes (dito)
Cleaning the remants of the digesting of the household animals' food ("The dog must go out. Who of us does it ?")
Politics (or discussing it)
Ethics
Raising children ("... needs new t-shirts again !" - "Ask grandma if she can knit a few more socks because that winter is going to be COLD !"))
Keeping children away from dangers
Car accidents
Prices for car repairs and of course for gas, too !
Securing the house in defense against burglars
Trying not to get things stolen
Household accidents (the grandmother of a co-worker died a few months ago from falling down on dark cellar stairs after fetching beverage)
Spirituality (yes, nobody wants that, but for some people, it's important, and for some people, it even contains actually *more* athan going to church)
The question whether the money will be enough to feed everyone & pay the bills
Prices going up ("Oh no ! The rent has become even more expensive ! From what are we supposed to live now ?")
Working times ("And who looks after the children ?")
Illnesses of the own children
Preventive medical checkup
Where is the neares public toilet ? ("I'm on the motorhighway now, my stomach rumbles violently, perhaps I must vomit, and nowhere there is a toilet to be seen ...")
Bad meals and good meals in the firm's cantina
Bad smells (farts)
Bad smells (far too much perfume or hair treatment spray)
Intrigue at work
Bullying (co-workers, or sometimes it's even the boss)
Repairing holes in clothes
Getting insects out of the household (like ants)
Trying not to get parasits from going out for a walk into nature (like ticks, for example)

Nobody wants to hear that, but these are actually "adult" themes. Like bureaucracy, for example, Nobody likes that. Nobody likes calculating taxes. It's an un pleasant work teenagers normally never have contact with.
Or, raising teenagers in general. Lots of drama.
Or bullying. Parents have to fdeal with their children being bullied as well. And with other parents denying that *their* children were bullying others.
This is a list of things adults (but also kids for some of them) encounter/have to deal with, but that doesn't make them "adult themes."

I disagree about "nobody wanting to hear all that" - these kind of themes are seen time and time again in modern movies, novels and series.

And while I most certainly get your perspective when you say that these are more "adult themes" than just sex and violence - I think that is a matter of not agreeing on what "adult theme" is about. "Adult theme" does not mean that it is necessary stuff that interest or relate more to adults than teens or children - BUT, it is stuff that might not be appropriate for children and teens according to our current standards. Sexual content might be less interesting for a mature adult, but according to the standards of many countries - sexual content in movies and games is simply inappropriate for children, regardless of how interested and/or curious they are about it. And as such, it is labeled as "adult content" as society has decided that they are the only audience that can handle violence and sexual content and process it in a "good" way.

The stuff that you talked about is often mentioned, but in more creative ways, in children and teen content as well - sometimes to a rather large extent.

Anyhow - while I think that many of these things can be (and in many cases are) implemented in games, both for adults, teens and children, but in appropriate levels for a fantasy setting. The hints and struggles of an adult is there (I could list them both in BG3 and from other famous movies, literature and games, but that would be rather time consuming and pointless >.< ), but in small levels so one can focus on the entire fantasy part of the story (heroes and villains, exciting battles and, of course, the story itself).

I mean, all big masterpieces - both in movies, games and literature, contains these elements to some extent since it makes the entire story more relatable and believable. But, often (in fantasy, horror and action etc settings) on appropriate levels to stay on the main topic of the story.

Last edited by Dez; 26/05/21 04:19 AM.

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