Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General RIP the patch every 2 weeks

They just don't care.
It would have be more honnest to say "we're interrested in data and nothing more".

I'm not sure about that. I think Larian does use this data, but I think that's pretty much it for player feedback. They addressed some stuff with patch 3 IIRC but that actually was a while ago

What they cherrypick and want to acknowledge.

Look I'm sure they do benefit from running the ea except making some good money early on. I'm just pretty sure that by this point they would have preferred it if we just played the EA and shut up

Sure, the same as in original post ...
Just severaly repeated in multiple different forms, to decerase change of missunderstanding.

Reading still required tho. :-/

I would not say they "just dont care" ...
About some things, you are probably right (that stuff where they see that we would like it, but it simply dont fit their vision ... like 6member party, or in past quite often repeated "real time with pause") ... but not in general. :-/

I want to believe they do read this forum ... then filter ... then re-read ... then filter again ... and the rest, they send forward to someone who take that idea, and re-shape it to fit their vision.
It might seem like they dont care, since we never get exactly what we asked for ... still our imput had some value for those changes.

Hopefully that promised comunity update will bring some light in this matter.

Just believe what you want.
At this point it looks pretty clear to me that they just don't care about their players. It's close to be disrespectful.

Don't make a game with such a name if you're not ready to take care about a community that will care so much about the game.
75% of us wouldn't even be here if it was DoS3. They promised nothing but wind and "soon" just mean nothing.

I can hear that they have to make decision, that they have to think , that it's not ready, that... whatever you want... But we even don"t deserve vague informations.
Giving NOTHING to us is a shame. It's not like many of us weren't waiting this game for 20 years !

We're just their beta testers and their datas, not their community.

Thank you.
But that was my plan anyway.

Yet still not even half as disrespectful as some users on this forum are to them. :-/

How can someone not mention Bloodlines 2 when he get so obvious smash pass(is that phrase used in english too?)?
THAT is my dear friend how disrespectful, and not caring developer team, that excrete(?) on whole "name of product" lookalike. :-/

Honestly, im one of 25% for certain ...
I dint even know Baldur's Gate until i have seen that trailer with Illithid ... and since i love Cthulhu, its design catches my eye ... i fall deeply in love imediatly, and it didnt let me go so far (354h played).
So i probably cant say anything about this.

What they promised?
I mean, yes i know that they said "soon"™ ... 2 weeks back ... but, that dont sound so dramatic to me. :-/

Once again, im kinda used from other studios ... Blizzard use Soon™ for time between half, and two years.
When Diablo 3 was released(2012), there was known issue about user names containing special symbols ("Uživatel" in mine language) ... its was marked as "will be resolved Soon"™ ... it wasnt resolved til today and i kinda doubt it ever will.

I would not lie ...
It would please me aswell to get info in some regular matter ... to be exited about deverloper diary every month would be great. Sadly there isnt much studios who would offer such comitment.

I would advise to wait with this critique after that promised Comunity Update ...

I understand ...
Aswell as you were waiting foryour Baldur's Gate 3 ... i was waiting for Knights of the Old Republic 3 and Bloodlines 2 ...

You get your early acess ... you get 4 patches and 12 comunity upgrades ... another patch is preparing for your, and soon™ you get another comunity upgrade ... and there is no force in the universe (except huge asteroids, aliens, war, plagues, and cca billion other stuffs) that would stop you from geting your game.

I get ... one cinematic trailer and 20 minutes of HORRIBLE(!) gameplay video. For one of them.
Im sorry, but i seem to be unable to recognize that shame you were talking about.

How would you define difference? O_o

I admittedly lost enthusiasm for this game on Patch 4 and now I only follow peripherally.

But I have to say that I don't know why Larian gets so much praise for being a company that "listens to feedback". From what I am seeing on BG3 and from reports of what they did on DOS2, I don't see that much of feedback incorporated into their games. It is much more marketing than anything else. If they didn't do in the past, it is unlikely they will do in the future with better sales.

So I think it is a matter of adjusting expectations.

I'm certainly not here because of DOS2... I only got the game last week.

There's so much impatience here. Games didn't always do open betas. I remember waiting around for any crumb of info about loads of games over the years, going months, sometimes a year or more, without any update whatsoever, and never having the chance to play them until they hit shelves as fully released games. This is way better than that.

Impatience... The game is in EA for 7 monthes and we only had a new class... nothing else significantly improve the game or the replay value of the EA.

Are u aware that an EA usually don't last for 5 years ?

Now I'm waiting for Ragnarock to come and say "they toned down surfaces, they improve cinematics, they fixed bugs, they add loaded dice, they improve the containers UI, now we can hide helmets...the updates were amazing !" (Or something like that)

Maximuuus, I don't expect the game to be in EA for 5 years and 7 months is hardly 5 years lol. And yeah, they did do all of those things. That's the kind of stuff I expect for them to tackle. New classes and such I expect to be added less frequently. Druid came in what, late February? I think summer would be a good time for a new class to test out. We likely won't have all the classes until release anyway. Around 5 years total on a video game is pretty standard.

I agree, <Redacted>, and I do think they should be more communicative. We don't know what their internal conversations look like, and the feedback likely is a part of their process. We just aren't seeing it, which is a communication problem. I fully agree that should change, especially since we're contributing financially to this project. I also would like to see a roadmap of what is planned for EA, so please don't get the impression that I'm trying to shut the sentiment down entirely.

It's just that these forums get so hyperbolic you would think this was the worst failure of a video game ever attempted in the history of ever.

How do you know they dont listen? O_o

I mean ...
Im listening to all (ok, most ... maybe more like some, w/e) of you, yet i dont change my opinion just bcs someone thinks his is better. :-/
Nor do others just bcs i think mine is better.

How do you know they dont have conversations driven by feedback? O_o

I mean ...
Was it told that those conversations will be here with us, or was that just your expectation? :P
They can simply move interesting opinions to their table, and conversate about them there.

Come on we arent even able to get to some compromises within oureselves ...
How can we expect them to follow our instructions when one say go right, another say go left, yet another say stand still, and im saing banana?

I checked ... there is noone with that nick.
Im afraid you will wait a long time.

Or something like that.
https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=86&page=1

Were you as disappointed as I was when Lucasfilm killed that fan remake of KOTOR in Unreal engine? God that looked awesome!

Just saying....EVERY developer that launches a EA gives the old "we want to hear player feedback" line, it is PR. It is a reach around for their customers to make them feel special or part of something. I have never taken that crap seriously. This is my 3rd EA, and they have all been about the same. The only communication that I have seen developers MAYBE act on, is in beta, which this is not. Even then, 9/10 they just looked at data rather than opinions (because lets be honest every player has their own opinion on what would make a game they like better).

Pretty sure a little thing called COVID probably put a major dent in their development cycle.

Well ... would you describe your disappointment as devastative? Then i was. :-/
It was even sader, if you actualy realize that "remake" was only addon to original game, so people would still need to buy the old game. :-/
Pure entusiasm, none profit ...

But there is yet another rumor about KotOR remaster roaming around the internet ...
I hope that somebody tracked those people down and eployed them ... they were incredibly talented.

Even if ... honestly, can you blame them?

Cantrips was adjusted, as some of us wanted ...
Spellcasting was adjusted, as some of us wanted ...
Conversations was adjusted, as some of us wanted ...
Another lines and dialogue choices was added, as some of us wanted ...

That are just few examples, certainly not whole list.
And did you notice at least ONE topic telling them "we appreciate you listened to us, and we like this change" ?
Or did you notice litteraly countless topics about "they do nothing" wich actualy means "they didnt do what I WANTED" ?

The only way you could actually "call them out" is to not purchase the EA or preorder games. If you do, they got your money and honestly don't care. I mean look, lets be honest here. The main reason for the EA was they needed an infusion of cash. It wasn't to get players "feedback". They sold millions of dollars on the EA to drive their development. They have a road map, most of this is decided. If I was some of these detractors I would come to terms with the fact that there is more than likely above 95% chance there will be no day/night cycle (actually they straight out said there wasn't and have never promised it), that the combat will NEVER be as in depth as some want it to be, and no amount of times that they bring up the S word, will it actually affect any decision they will make. If the EA bothers some players so much, lay it down until launch, play other things and enjoy your gaming.

Good thing we can play other games AND comment on how we would like this game to go.

edit: can not can't lol

Wow I just love how some posters take a single snippet of a post, and than try to totally misrepresent the entire point of the post. But hey if it gets you a chance to use a little snark, it is all worth it...isn't it?

Is the game dead on its tracks? Not a single piece of info on anything. Zero community feedback.
Yes they are working on the game, and so are dozens of other developers of other RPGs and are 10x more communicative with its fan base.