Spoiler tagging this response because, at this point, it has deviated along way from the core topic of the thread.

Originally Posted by teclis23
For example Astarion is just an in your face overly feminine man, Astarions content that is being written for him is just so woke it isn't funny. I mean why do this?

Okay, so... First question, honest answer please: What is it about Astarion that you find to be 'feminine'? Personally, I don't find him to be effeminate; perhaps you could explain it to me a little more?

Astarion's content is:

- Was a slave, who lived under complete domination of will for a master who tortured him, sexually abused him, and also forced him to seduce in predatory fashion other victims.
- Find that domination over his will broken suddenly, after 200 years... but only as a result of the trauma of further alien bodily violation, with the threat of turning into said alien creature and losing his sense of self utterly in the process. (though we all share this element)
- Wars with the trained need to hide his undead nature, versus wanting to exercise his newfound freedom.
- Discovers that his former master hasn't' given him up and intends to bring him in; this terrifies him, and he'd rather die, sell what is left of his soul, or take his chances with the parasite, than go back to that.
- Exults in brutality and violence that he is able to choose to enact of his own free will, by his own hand, rather than at the compulsion of another.
- Exults in the opportunity to pursue carnal activity of his own choosing, rather than under mind-dominated orders.
- Finds himself deeply unwilling to talk honestly about his past traumas and details, but can be convinced to if he feels he has a like-minded enough individual to share with.

So, could you explain to me how this, or other details that I've missed, falls into what you are personally categorising as 'woke'?

Could you then explain to me, without using the word 'woke' at all, what it is that you don't like about this, or that agitates you.

Feel free to treat me as though I am very stupid; pretend I've never been on the internet before, and use simple and clear words, if you want. I want to understand you.

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Also why have cut-scenes that when you camp at night your male npcs want to sleep with you if you are a male PC? This kind of stuff is also being overly represented.

Counter-question: Why shouldn't there be?

How much is 'appropriate' representation, in your mind? It sounds as though you are upset at being faced with the concept of a man who likes another man; that any representation of this concept, at all, is making you uncomfortable and unhappy. Have I misread you?

I'm not hearing you complaining about female characters propositioning other female characters; is that also problematic for you? It is just as equally represented as the former, after all, and both are just as equally represented as male to female inclinations are. The companions are player-sexual; absolutely speaking, they are neither gay, nor bisexual, nor heterosexual - they are whichever of those ends up ultimately fitting the specific story that you run with your own character.

It's largely agreed by many people that the camp scene is ham-fisted, forced and over done - some feel so more than others, of course. It makes sense for some characters (Lae'zel and Astarion make the most believable sense), and could even make sense for each of them individually, but it comes off poorly when they all act at once, at the same time. This is a bad situation regardless of any one individual character's sexuality - indeed, as mentioned, the PC's sex or sexuality is completely irrelevant.

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Also the writing absolutely needs to be darker. Dont try and pander to all age groups and gender and racial groups just write what you want!!!!!! leave politics out of the game!!

Larian have made it abundantly clear that they are absolutely going to write the story that they want to write, regardless of what anyone else has to say about it, or whether it fits the tone of the IP they're working within. They've made no bones about that. This is, it would seem, the story that they want to tell. They ARE writing what they want; why do you think they aren't?


Originally Posted by Nyloth
I believe that only Astarion and Lae are aggressive with regard to "sex", and this is in their personality. I have never seen a girl write here that Lae is too aggressive and persistent.

I have said elsewhere that Lae'zel's aggression, and her back-handed, desperately trying to rub it in your face if you rebuff her, as well as her determined-to-push-it-on-you-anyway comments if she's not interested, are all a bit much and quite unpleasant to deal with... It's not out of character for her, not at all, and githyanki are pretty free about their physical recreation in the manner that she acts, but I do indeed find her to be too aggressive and too persistent in that scene for my personal tastes, and I avoid speaking to her at the party, unless I'm playing a character that intends to pursue her.

It's just another layer on the problems with the writing of the party sequence in general though... I'm not about to call it a result of some sort of political over-representation though...that would be pretty silly ^.^


On the core topic, I do have be honest in saying that it seriously amazes and astounds me that folk like Nyloth (sincerely no offence intended by this) are pleased with the cutscenes and think they're good... Aside from the exquisitely detailed face scans (which ultimately only serve to highlight the plastic nature of their animation range), the actual cutscenes themselves are very weak, both in choreography and in animation. Talking to Shadowheart at the ruins door is like talking to a marionette puppet, with her wooden movements and janky twitching - and it doesn't get any better, except in a few very specific places. They look and feel (again, apart from the highly detailed face scans), like a game that's at least five or six years old, or worse... definitely NOT what one would expect from a game being made today.

Last edited by Niara; 05/06/21 03:05 PM.