[quote=CJMPinger] The issue with Martials isn't the amount of things they can do in a turn, cause they have the same actions as everyone else, it was the variety of things they could do, which the current homebrew has addressed that. in fact, a fighter with Action Surge genuinely can do more actions than anyone else, making them have a lot. Making shove a bonus action just made it that anyone, fighter or wizard or rogue or druid could abuse the action economy to get a free extra "attack" off that can be more devastating than anything else.

But don't let my opinions stop you, I have said my piece and how I see the situation, you see it differently. Conversation lets both be in the light and discussed so I don't think putting solutions is a bad thing at all, even if I believe said solution doesn't work for me.[/quote]

Yeah, it's a terrible solution to the problem they were trying to solve. It doesn't even solve it, it has many terrible side-effects, just like BA disengage and high ground advantage/disadvantage. I completely agree with you, I know the problems with the bonus action shove. You don't have to tell me what the problem is with the BA shove, preaching to the choir here.

I'm trying to come up with an alternative solution to something that many people and Larian seem to think needs to be fixed. This alternative solution would not mess with the game balance nearly as much as BA shove and would give those martials meaningful decisions to make every turn, rather than just attacking and shoving every turn, thus fixing the original problem.

Now, maybe Larian didn't add the BA shove for that purpose, but that's what I read a lot, if that's not true, please let me know. I don't think my proposed solution would be such a problem to the balance, due to the relatively small effects, the negative side-effects and prerequisites. Also it would give them a larger variety of things to do, rather than give them more things to do.

Last edited by Dabedidabe; 25/06/21 05:39 PM.