Originally Posted by S2PHANE
Do you honestly think that by the time its ripe for release, that it will still have most, if not all of these ''problems'' ?

Yes. Because Larian seems to have a very different idea of what is a problem and what is a feature than I do. And some other people as well, as this thread shows.

Regarding faith in Larian: I had it, I had copious amounts of it. Then I realized I'd been extremely naive and blind to reality, and that Larian has no interest in making the game they were claiming to be making (meaning one that is faithful to both BG and D&D 5e). I'd love to be proven wrong, but at this point it seems extremely unlikely.

Originally Posted by S2PHANE
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Mods are not in ANY way an excuse for problems with a game. A game should be judged on its own merits/how it is out-of-the-box, mods have nothing to do with it.
If your statement were true in any sense then in comparison most of Bethesda's games would be crashing dumpsterfires, with no redeeming qualities about them (and that they are most certainly not, well... at least until they did what they did to Fallout grin ).

I played Skyrim as the barest vanilla, without expansions or mods. And still, while the game has MANY problems, I did enjoy my lenghty playthrough. And yes, I am judging it by its own merits and not by to what extent modders managed to fix the game. The story is bad. The combat is bad. The reactivity is bad. The UI is bad. The perk trees are underwhelming. It's a buggy mess. This remains true regardless of mods. Mods don't cleanse the game's sins, so to speak.

The mindset of judging a game by "game+mods" completely baffles me, if I am to be honest. I take it a game is shit at release and masterpiece two decades later, without developers as much as releasing a single patch?

Originally Posted by grysqrl
It's fun when you buy a car only to find that parts of the engine are missing, the windows roll down and get stuck there, and there are no seatbelts, and then you call the dealership and they tell you that it's fine, the community of mechanics will probably fix it eventually.

Also the car is not actually a car, it's a boat that they marketed as a car. (Which I guess would explain the lack of seatbelts, among other oddities.)