Exactly. And that would ruin them. You know people would freak out with new voice actors. We already had people saying BG3 isn't a BG game because the narrator didn't sound like the ominous guy from BG1 and 2, so...
Imagine a new Jaheira or Minsc... or Saravoc. People would have a cow.
As for not doing cinematic close ups, that's what the original OP was saying they wanted; BG1 and 2 remade like BG3. Right?
Exactly. And that would ruin them. You know people would freak out with new voice actors. We already had people saying BG3 isn't a BG game because the narrator didn't sound like the ominous guy from BG1 and 2, so...
Imagine a new Jaheira or Minsc... or Saravoc. People would have a cow.
As for not doing cinematic close ups, that's what the original OP was saying they wanted; BG1 and 2 remade like BG3. Right?
Yeah pretty much. Well give us the graphics and it's fine if we don't get the cinematics. I will survive. :p
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Let me put it like this. If Larian remade BG1 and 2 and their DLCs, and they stayed true to the original game, I'd love it. But again, to pull that off would be next to impossible.
Imagine scenes where there is no voice acting in the original, so there's just subtitles. Now picture the characters with cinematic closeups, mouthing the dialogue but no voices because no voice acting for that part.
Again, unless they rounded up ALL of the original cast and got them to voice act all the non-vocal game dialogue, it just wouldn't work.
I still cant quite catch your message here ... I mean, yes IF there is not voice acting in dialogues ... they would need to create it. But as far as i know (feel free to corect me), there IS voice acting in dialogues ... so why are we even talking about it? O_o
All you need to do is, simply use the same sentences ... and you can quite easily use old sound ... i mean, its not like you will hear there sizzling from an old gramophone record. O_o
//edit: OH! Page 4 made it clear ... so cinematic were silent? Well, that kinda suckcs ... But i still believe that for the sake of autenticity, it can stay silent. :P
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I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
Let me put it like this. If Larian remade BG1 and 2 and their DLCs, and they stayed true to the original game, I'd love it. But again, to pull that off would be next to impossible.
Imagine scenes where there is no voice acting in the original, so there's just subtitles. Now picture the characters with cinematic closeups, mouthing the dialogue but no voices because no voice acting for that part.
Again, unless they rounded up ALL of the original cast and got them to voice act all the non-vocal game dialogue, it just wouldn't work.
I still cant quite catch your message here ... I mean, yes IF there is not voice acting in dialogues ... they would need to create it. But as far as i know (feel free to corect me), there IS voice acting in dialogues ... so why are we even talking about it? O_o
All you need to do is, simply use the same sentences ... and you can quite easily use old sound ... i mean, its not like you will hear there sizzling from an old gramophone record. O_o
//edit: OH! Page 4 made it clear ... so cinematic were silent? Well, that kinda suckcs ... But i still believe that for the sake of autenticity, it can stay silent. :P
The first line of the dialogue was voiced, sometimes the more important parts in the middle and usually the end.
Check 8minute 5 seconds below to see the outcome back then.
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I mean, it could be done. FF14 does it and is very popular. They have cinematic scenes. Their characters mouths move. Some are voice acted but most are not.
The problem is fans. Would fans of BG1 and 2 like seeing Minsc's mouth moving close up without voice acting in many scenes?
I mean, it could be done. FF14 does it and is very popular. They have cinematic scenes. Their characters mouths move. Some are voice acted but most are not.
The problem is fans. Would fans of BG1 and 2 like seeing Minsc's mouth moving close up without voice acting in many scenes?
Let me say it this way. If touching the classics remakes has to be half-assed then it misses the point.
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You make a good point though, in that it's probably better to create your own game at that point...unless you already have the framework for a ruleset and could ~quickly churn out a remake. This is a reason to remake BG1&2 with an updated D&D edition. Owlcat would find it easiest to remake BG1&2 using D&D3.5, and Obsidian would find it easiest with D&D4e(?).
Well and you also told you have never played as child AD&D 2e ruleset or BG1 and BG2....
I have played with my brother... BG1 and BG2... my brother has said he will buy BG3 when it is done and play with me. Well and a friend of mine has said he want to play with me and my brother BG3. BG1 and BG2 are both classics excellent!
On top of that BG1 and BG2 supports also multiplayer. We played and you do not need to be adult to play games with my brother BG1 and BG2 on LAN network back in the days.
Well another question I wonder sometimes am I partly eternal as an Elf since I have eaten strong antioxidiants and Carnosine for n years? I will keep my age secret not telling if you ask. Carnosine oh tell me how young or old am I really? Keep on guessing.
I like this mix version of Baldurs Gate music. Eh for your oldest ones on the forums please excuse me for I do also like modern music, but depends on what music. There existed a thread where people posted how old they though most ignored or joked about OP inquiries. Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance [28] Elfsong Tavern (Remix)
Here are the best rules for me (in chronical release date order I consider all of them excellent): AD&D 2e ruleset, DD 3.5 rules, Pathfinder (that is like DD 3.5++)
The worst DD rules clearly for me? DD4th really that was so bad so Wizards of the Coast said based on feedback that DD5th need to be more like old rules then then the DD4th.. Example I like Windows 7 and Windows 10 and I do not like Windows 8. I do not like DD4th.
DD5th? It is kind of ok&good at least better then DD4th for sure, but I still like most the old rules. Well and I have also played pen and paper DD a lot indeed.
The practical problem is that Wizards of the Coast usually want to market their newest DD rules... to get a license for an older ruleset to make a game can be hard. The current one is DD5th. Pathfinder ruleset would be better though if they could get license ot that. Yes AD2nd would be wonderful if remake of BG1 and BG2, but getting license for that... is hard!
Exactly. And that would ruin them. You know people would freak out with new voice actors. We already had people saying BG3 isn't a BG game because the narrator didn't sound like the ominous guy from BG1 and 2, so...
Imagine a new Jaheira or Minsc... or Saravoc. People would have a cow.
As for not doing cinematic close ups, that's what the original OP was saying they wanted; BG1 and 2 remade like BG3. Right?
The person who voiced Jaheira is already known to be someone who cannot be located.
Besides, I really don't want "BG3" graphics either. Frankly, I don't see BG3 graphics as anything awesome. For me, the environmental art assets in BG3 (trees, bushes, grass, buildings, walls, pillars, floors, etc.) are butt-ugly, and the huge pools of blood are the most fake I've ever seen.
Besides, I really don't want "BG3" graphics either. Frankly, I don't see BG3 graphics as anything awesome. For me, the environmental art assets in BG3 (trees, bushes, grass, buildings, walls, pillars, floors, etc.) are butt-ugly, and the huge pools of blood are the most fake I've ever seen.
BG3 has good graphics. I do not agree that BG 3 has bad graphics as Kani says... I am not saying BG3 is a perfect game like 10/10, but the game is in ALPHA. I have played ALPHA and I would not agree graphics are bad on maxium graphics. Example I liked much the horror effects in the Crypt in the beginning of the game the unnatural horror place with smoke etc. The outside world graphics is fine. You could argue that perhaps Elven could look slightly more Elven. However if criticism the first point I would not say that graphics is bad.
I agree that the blood is really ridiculous and I don't like at all some visual effects / animations. In exemple : - Gale falling asleep - Shockwave when using jump or dash - Dipping => Everything that shout "funny video game" (>< Forgotten Realms) is really innapropriate IMO.
But the graphics are usually really good to me and scrolling as much as you can to watch environments is really a pleasure.
Besides the previous points, my only complain is (once again) the lack of D/N cycle and meteo effects. Visually each zone always look the same, usually with very bright colors. You are almost dazzled in the outside environments because it is so bright.
I would be 100% ok with it if it was just one of many atmospheres and if it was not define by specific area.
I usually like indoor environments and characters are really beautifull.
Come on now. You know what I mean. Larian's already received tons of flack about how BG3 doesn't even feel like a BG game because it doesn't play like BG1 and 2. They'd be HUGELY criticized if they remade BG1 and 2. The fans of the originals would curse them with Hex spells and hunt them down with Hunter's Mark to the very last person.
I'll chip in as a fan who grew up playing them, Baldur's Gate II runs on 2nd edition rules, so most people would have to re-learn the game. Then there's securing the same voice actors/actresses and the unfortunate reality some of them may not be availible due to schedules, health or being dead. They were also pioneers of many things, but some ideas and implementations would never fly today due to later games taking them further. One such example is the party banter; Baldur's Gate 1 had basically none, and every Baldur's Gate II's would be considered barebones by todays standards.
That means there would have to be a lot of new writing to the point it would be for all intents and purposes a new game. Instead of having characters that are beloved (and honestly, wrapped up in fluffy nostalgia and looked upon with rose tinted spetacles) I'd rather have new characters in a new setting, using newer, more modern rules. They might need to be tweaked a bit due to not being tabletop, but Baldur's Gate I and II flouted the written rules several times themselves so 'eh'. Better just do a new game entirely, but keep the theme of something inside trying to corrupt and/or influence the character, twisting them into a monster. Which is Baldur's Gate III seems to be shaping up to be, really.
I would chip in and say that remaking BG1 and 2 with 5e rules would blow. One of the main, but not the only, appeals of the progression through BG1->2->ToB is spellcaster progression with all is absurd unbalanced spells. Your ridiculous 15stoneskin-layers mirror-imaged blured spirit-armored fireshield red+blue 127% fire resistance mage chain casting PfMW and standing in the middle of a healing Fire-storm while everything melts around them is simply not possible in 5e imo. Part of the appeal of BG1 and 2 is the implementation of the 2e ruleset in all its absurdity - and then providing a bunch of late game encounter to match that ridiculousness.
You just need to compare how BG1+2 and IWD compare to IWD2 or NWN to see how a different ruleset will change the feel of the game, and how it is played, above and beyond the storyline. I don't think there is anythin to be gained in a BG1 and 2 remake with an inferior (in my opinion) rule-set.
New games, not remaking old games. I'm just pleased that someone (owlcat) is making "baldurs gate-like" cRPGs that are not 5e, to complement the 5e ones.
Besides, I really don't want "BG3" graphics either. Frankly, I don't see BG3 graphics as anything awesome. For me, the environmental art assets in BG3 (trees, bushes, grass, buildings, walls, pillars, floors, etc.) are butt-ugly, and the huge pools of blood are the most fake I've ever seen.
BG3 has good graphics. I do not agree that BG 3 has bad graphics as Kani says... I am not saying BG3 is a perfect game like 10/10, but the game is in ALPHA. I have played ALPHA and I would not agree graphics are bad on maxium graphics. Example I liked much the horror effects in the Crypt in the beginning of the game the unnatural horror place with smoke etc. The outside world graphics is fine. You could argue that perhaps Elven could look slightly more Elven. However if criticism the first point I would not say that graphics is bad.
Guys, I did not say the graphics are bad in BG3. I said they were ugly. In terms of technological quality, yes they are top-notch. It's just how they look that I find to be ugly, which is to say, it is the art style that I have a huge problem with. Art style and graphics quality are separate things.
It's just how they look that I find to be ugly, which is to say, it is the art style that I have a huge problem with. Art style and graphics quality are separate things.
Not what I understood the 1st time. It's fine. You're allowed to roam on this thread then ;P.
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It's just how they look that I find to be ugly, which is to say, it is the art style that I have a huge problem with. Art style and graphics quality are separate things.
Not what I understood the 1st time. It's fine. You're allowed to roam on this thread then ;P.
It's interesting that we had this exchange just before the new patch. I just saw a short gameplay video clip with this patch (I guess someone has the patch in advance), and I see huge improvements in the art style of the game. I hope they keep improving it, but for now I am cautiously optimistic on at least this criticism I've had about the game. The game is beginning to actually look more and more like it is set in the Forgotten Realms rather than in Rivellon.
There are Enhanced Editions. And if someone was really to remake the original two games, I would MUCH rather it to be Owlcat Games or Obsidian. Larian clearly has no idea what actually made BG1/2 good - which is not to say BG3 will suck, but it is not a Baldur's Gate game except for the name, setting and possibly a few fan-service characters. Let Larian remake the original Divine Divinity games or anything they actually understand/like.
Why just remake BG1 & 2 then? Why not Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades, and Neverwinter Nights? Why? Because it's been done, it is classic, players already know the story, and the backlash you'd get from hardcore fans would be tremendous. Those are all great games, mind you. They could be redone with modern graphics and turn into amazing games again in a new iteration... but the temptation to screw around with them just to add some "new" or bring them "up to speed with modern ideology" would simply be too great. People have a hard time not injecting their own spin on things. Sometimes that works out, but usually it is death to any sort of attempt at a remake. You'd most likely end up expending an incredible amount of time and resources just to end up with a hodge-podge game that no one would be truly happy with and that would never fully live up to anyone's expectations.
Why just remake BG1 & 2 then? Why not Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades, and Neverwinter Nights? Why? Because it's been done, it is classic, players already know the story, and the backlash you'd get from hardcore fans would be tremendous. Those are all great games, mind you. They could be redone with modern graphics and turn into amazing games again in a new iteration... but the temptation to screw around with them just to add some "new" or bring them "up to speed with modern ideology" would simply be too great. People have a hard time not injecting their own spin on things. Sometimes that works out, but usually it is death to any sort of attempt at a remake. You'd most likely end up expending an incredible amount of time and resources just to end up with a hodge-podge game that no one would be truly happy with and that would never fully live up to anyone's expectations.
Also, what DiDiDi said...
Yeah, you might be right. It would be a tedious task to just re-make BG1 and 2 on 1:1 scale. I'm lowkey counting on BG3 mod tools for this ^^''''
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