Originally Posted by _Vic_
Originally Posted by CJMPinger
To an earlier comment, in my limited experience with the Neverwinter MMO, it is not a good translation of 4e rules.
Most of the problems with 4e is that it had very high numbers and abilities would do a lot which needed to resolve and be explained slowing down combat a lot.
Put that into a videogame however, the abilities would just go off and the numbers would automatically be handled thereby speeding combat up immensely.

I kinda do want to see a proper 4e game, but as a system it has gotten so much negativity that likely will not happen, even with some coming back to it and recognizing it isn't as bad as many claimed or finding that many issues are in framing (like world of lights vs many worlds of dnd thing).
The source of negativity with 4e was not as much as the game system than the awful lore revamp they made for 4e. It was such a mess that 5e lore is basically wipe out all 4e and restore Abeir and Toril to pre-spellplague status plus a few things.
Your view that I do not agree with 100% though you might be correct on the lore correction for 5th edition DnD. The rules are not good in Dnd 4th edition period compared to other Dnd releases. Much dicerolling was removed back inserted dicerolling and simplied rules in DnD 5th edtion.
In addition while someone did not want to hear about WOW (World of Warcraft MMO) they took WOW elements to DnD 4th edition. LIke Hunter and Hunters Mark for Ranger. Now I am not saying this is a bad thing to take some WOW elements and I find it kind of neutral whatever.

You could argue World of Warcraft MMO took ideas from Tolkien world and Dnd World which is true. However in DnD 4th edition they clearly copied World of Warcraft elements to classes and I should know I played World of Warcraft MMO for over 3 years until I got bored and quit. Well not only that removed lots of dicerolling and more complicated rules.

5h edition DnD inserted back the dice rolling and simplified the rules and yes corrected lore to what players liked.

Last edited by Terminator2020; 14/07/21 11:20 AM.