@RagnarokCzD how about the argument that large heavy barrels should be hard to carry and throw because large heavy barrels are actually hard to carry and throw?
I dont accept such argument, bcs people tend to use it only when it suits them ...
Therefore its not an argument, just covenient excuse. -_-
For example gold coins ... they get weight in last patch, and as you can see people are allready disliking it ... as far as i know (read as: according to Google) usualy gold coin weighted between 5-9 grams ... that would mean that in end of Early Acess, when my character have 15.000gold pieces, it means she should have 75-135kg in her inventory ...
Why i dont see anyone yelling around that carrying so much gold is "immersion breaking"? :-/
Answer is simple, bcs people dont care about "immersion", when talking about weight ... they just dont like barells, so they search for "reasons" against it. Its simple reverse engineering, nothing else. -_-
The Barrelmancy thing - in my eyes- is at this point mostly solved. So if they made no further changes I wouldn't be too concerned.
Of course it is ... you get what you wanted, screw the others. :-/
But in answer to your questions I really DON'T want to enforce my will on anyone, but I also don't want Barrelmancy in any of my games.
Well i do ...
Too bad for me i guess, bcs Larian once again listened to those who yelled loud enough. -_-
There are good, logical ways to defend why it shouldn't exist.
So far i never seen even single one ...
Many arguments about why not use it ... but not even single one about why it should not exist at all. :-/
We have covered how it breaks the game and allows you to bypass all ability use.
Yeah, so what? Maybe i want to bypass all ability use. :-/
Why is it bothering you?
Be honest ... Does it bother you that i get the same reward with, in your eyes, conciderably less efford? :P
Also that it is not covered by any rule in the PHB which would allow it.
Two thigs:
1) As far as i know, rules in PHB explicitly encourage players to use their own imagination and fantasy to do litteraly anything, and use those rules as guidance ... not as restrictions. > That is your allowing.
2) As far as i know, there is no rule that would forbids it either.
And finally that its physically impossible to add a 300 LB / 130 KG Barrel to a backpack, let alone feasibly carry even one.
Show me such barrel in game, then we can talk about why is it possible.
BTW do you know what else is physically impossible?
To carry 25 chainmail armors ...
Or to carry 25 warhammers ..
Or to carry 25 greatswords ...
Or, funny enough, to carry all abowe, enough food for next three weeks, your own weight in gold, also carry your own armor and weapon, and still juping 7m long jumps.
How is that possible that none of that is problem sudently? :P
One other thing I have learned in 15 years as a Raid Leader is that MOST humans, except the most extraordinary, will always seek the path of least resistance. It is only the most incredible and rare people that see a challenge as a gift to teach them and make them stronger. But that's a longer discussion of why we game in the first place, is it to consume time, or to provide mental stimulation, or to challenge yourself in some way?
Yeah they will ... you surely didnt need 15 years to find that out.
Question here is: So what?
If i want to spend hours in my game carrying barells from one place to another, to create spectacular explosion ... what do you even care? why do you even care? isn't that my thing? how is that possible that so many people have problem with us using "easier way", yet nobody from the other camp ever complained in this forum about people who spend hours in effort to create as good build as possible to overcome some challenge instead of "just blow few barells" ?
I really, honestly want to understand ...
Where the resentment comes from? And how is that possible it flows one way only? :-/
As it stands Barrelmancy is an old piece of nonsense that Larian is being a bit sentimental about.
Well, that is your opinion man ...
People can easily say that poking boss with stick, hoping for high damage roll is and old piece of nonsence that Wizards of the Coast is being sentimental about. :-/
But you know - another way to solve it would have been to add a toggle. That could have been done at any time. Hand to God I would have been fine with it.
I would too ...
I dont honestly quite understand why Larian need to keep choosing one group over the another whenever there is a conflict ... even if in some cases there is so easy option to satisfy everyone. :-/
Its source of lot of mine frustration around this game ... quite shame, concidering how exited i was about other things in this patch.
Getting rid of the Larian cheese rules is not about denying people their fun.
I dont honestly care what is this "about" ... i care about the results. :-/
And as long as result is that my fun is gone, i dare to presume it dont take rocket engineer to figure out why im not happy. :-/
Yes those who don't like them can choose to not use them.
Exactly.
I totally understand that this is not "allways" the thruth ... but in this particular case? Totally truth.
But when combat encounters are designed and balanced factoring in players using those cheese elements, then the people who choose to not use those elements get screwed.
This on the other hand is in this particular case not the truth ... therefore its irellevant for this conversation.
As far as i know, there is litteraly none combat that would REQUIRE relocation, or throwing and blowing barells ... if you know about any, please feel free to corect me.
