Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback The intransigent minority will end up ruining this game

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The more angrily someone demands something does not make the demand(s) reasonable: indeed, that they are only able to express their idea through anger may indicate that they have no genuine reason behind their request at all.
It's quite alright to have emotional responses to things. The proper recourse in those cases when you have a negative response would be to persuade us that the game dynamic is dysfunctional, not insult others for disagreeing with you.

If this forum were Reddit, your post would be in the pit of things no one wants to hear, and even if your point is reasonable, you will harvest the hatred of this community. The last time I said Halsin would not be an origin character, someone came to me with a reply like "Halsin will be a companion tho, so shut the fuck up". I was referring to these kind of people, but it seems that even on this forum some people get offended, feel alluded to and respond defensively, or attacking me for the words I have used to "make myself look smarter". Welcome to the internet.

It's the case when some people ask for Alfira as a bard companion. If someone mentions that (datamined companion spoiler) , the reply is buried and harassed. This is the intransigence I am talking about. And I am bothered that wishes and whims are taken into greater consideration than reasonable feedback, of whatever kind, because how works internet.


Thank god, someone get the point!

Larian will do what they believe will make the best and most widely appealing game as they can. There is no perfect game that suits everyone - personally I am incredibly pleased with the progress of the game

lots of new accounts making life hard for the mods.

Could you explain me why you want me banned? Give me a reason.

I agree that they definitely don't need to listen to absolutely everything. For example, it was not necessary to make Shadow more "friendly", just because several men did not like her personality.

Pretty sure Larian can think for themselves and don't need a pep talk from some rando.

Presuming since we don't have negative votes here you jumped ship from what reddit? So your voice could be heard cause it wasn't their. Not everyone is going to like the same thing you do and that does make them spoiled brats or children.

When you dismiss people giving what you perceive as negative and selfish feedback as a bunch of 'kids', frankly this just feels like trolling. What an utterly misplaced generalisation. I can't even be bothered to go into the reasons why despite agreeing with some of the points you made.

I see you are prooving your own point ...
Have you even concidered that maybe your own way of talking is causing the responces you are criticising? O_o

Party of 6ix people:
- nice, but... So much more iterations in this BG3 Game where most of the content is not just generic story interchangable as you want, but its a Party of 4 trying to make you roleplay more and explore realtionships in the face of mortal danger. With a big peace of mental health issues mixed in.
Just think about it, people say they hear a voice in their head... well its a magical world but think bout Albert Camus or J.R.R.Tolkien. Both wrote a story about their experiences.
One about the World War the other bout a deadly pandemic.
Just see this Game as a way of having a lot of fun and same time get educated Philosophically, Moral end ethically.

Thats how i perceive BG3, and i like it.
So at last 4 people in a party is more then enough for the developer to handle so much iterations of anything you try to do in the game.

- Halsin:
Hes just another Character. You want a Halsin, make a Druid with Bearform.
Want just a Bear, take an animal companion when playing Ranger.
Want a Petbear.... go Druidcove and pet the sleeping or fishing Bears.

Both parts up ther are just my thoughts and very probably not everyone see it my way or what ever... so with that said read on.

This is for everyone:
- All in all if we are going to criticize or play blamegame, we end nowhere.Why cant we achieve something in a more civilized way?
- Be carefull about making people angry when you are following your reflex to shout out something what you personally dont like.
- Make up your mind first, take into account that its possible that you are the only one seeing it in this way and try to be generally respectfull.
- Theres not allways a quick solution.
All changes in a gamedevelopment department need time and consideration of possibility.
Even thinking about if the first idea of the game can stay true is not given, or will it be totally something else if all wishes are taking effect in the game. It's mindbogglin' process.

Somewhere on the road of the Early Acces, Larian trys to find a concensus with us consumers and is also asking us to help them find problems to make this game better.

Lets stay focused on that road.

There is a lot of things being suggested, its important to keep in mind the difference between a request and a demand. Demands don’t have their place in here. No matter how much you want it.

Im very grateful we were allowed an early access. Good thing there are more pros than cons, doubtful Larian regrets granting us this privilege. Let’s just not let the cons outweigh the pros. :V

Gandalf is struggling a lot in LotR. He often loses.

Galadriel on the other hand is portrayed as undefeatable and otherworldly in comparison. That's explains it perfectly. If someone OP in the party just destroys everything it's boring and bad storytelling. That's why Gandalf loses to Saruman and dies against the Balrog. Then loses again against the witch king.

If Galadriel would be de-powered to function as a party member like Halsin would be, their character wouldn't be as convincing or important for the story anymore.

Making him low enough level for an evil party to kill in combat isn't good for the credibility of the game world. It's as lazy as level scaling wolves up to 10 so that they still offer a challenge for a 12th level party.

If I was DMing Halsin would be much higher in level like an archdruid of a circle would be, at least 11+. The evil party would have to play dirty, cheat and poison him or something before having a chance in a fair fight. Or they would have to receive help from an evil faction who also wants the Circle gone.

Point is, there are narrative ways to keep things consistent and balance the level differences. "Halsin's revenge" isn't great writing as it is.

I feel like this topic is really pointless. Sure you might be right, and we have actually seen how Larian sometimes makes changes based on popular demand rather than what the game actually needs. The problem is that no one agrees on what the game actually needs. All you can do is write as concretely as possible what you would like to see.

So... You got chased off of Reddit for apparently having opinions so controversial that you got downvoted into oblivion, and now you're coming here telling everyone that you got shouted down by a loud minority, when the way Reddit works has always been a majority hivemind?

On a side note, it is worth noting that a desire to bring the game closer to 5E combat rules was considered little more than an unpopular 'purist' concern at the start of EA. People have since come around on it to the point where it's been measured as the majority opinion now. These things change over time.

Well, congratulation. I dislike basically everything about this thread.

The smug, patronizing attitude behind it.
The underlying assumption you know better than anyone else, with that "Don't listen to them, listen to me" vibe.
The dumb conflating of very different requests as if they were all on the same on the same level. As if asking a mechanical modification of the game and a "fanservice sex scene" could even begin to be considered the same thing.
The questionable implication that a designer should always "Listen to the majority" (because majorities always know better, right?) and that minority voices couldn't have legitimate, insightful points about core design.
The equating of passionate feedback (or at time even harsh criticism) with being "haters, trolls, spoiled children".

And so on.

Also, on a more specific note, if any intelligent, valid argument exists against the option to extend the party to six members (since somehow it got piled with the "unreasonable requests"), I have yet to see it. And that's in more than a year that specific topic has been argued back and forth.
No, you wouldn't need to "redesign the entire game for it". Stop being disingenuous, people.

I agree with everything you said except the last bit.

There is a valid argument against going 6 person in that the game is balanced for 4 and to move to 6 would require them to rework all the fights for 6 players. That means additional development time. I don't know how much, but probably a lot. I am fine with a mod that does it because you are only affecting your own play experience and difficulty level but I really LOVE the current difficulty level of BG3 (actually make it harder Larian...I dare you...you won't do it :D) - and I don't want it messed with or made easier (assuming this is standard difficulty).

Anyway, but yeah this topic seems designed to bring about negative feelings, recrimination, and judgements.

Nah, there isn't.
There have been several half-assed attempts at one, on the other hand, that have been rebutted one by one over and over for month.

But we already have a big-ass thread specifically on that sub-topic, so feel free to move the discussion there, if you want to continue it.

What a wild ride your whole original post was, you ended up seeming the type of person you wrote against.
Actually had to look up the meaning of ''intransigent'' - refusal to compromise or to abandon an often extreme position or attitude.
Extreme? The extremes have left the discussion on this forum half a year ago, when they realised that Larian was ''intransigent'' towards RTwP.
Its apparent you haven't been through the boards and discussions here, you will find many points in question discussed ten times over, 90% of them reasonable and well thought out, sometimes even able to change your opinion on some matters. Don't think I have something against you, I couldn't care less, but the way you barged in on a new account making this thread your first post, condescending in nature, has me doubting your motivations.


Pretty sure the only example that you listed, which could hurt on the design, are the request for level 20 (you can find two or three active threads on the General about the issue, with healthy discussion in them) and the party size. True we have no idea where Larian will take the game past Act 1 but we can imagine, not just story wise, how the game development will unfold. Even with all our mighty imagination and suggestions, Larian won't take most of those complaints into account. Its their game at the end of the day. Do you honestly think of people that don't hold the same view on the game and its development as you are ?
Because I have to be honest with you - it is not a good look.
I personally don't peruse BG3 Reddit, or much of Reddit in general anymore as the whole site is a one big circle jerk but you see, the line gets blurred sometimes. Whereas on one platform you'd be considered majority, on another one you'd be the minority. Pinning those words/meanings - ''intransigent, reasonable'' to one side or the other is a recipe for disaster, fostering hostility.
I do urge you to sink your teeth into the countless threads that adressed the issues on this forum. There is a lot of reading ahead of you, but you might find that your opinions aren't cemented in place.

Guys. This is just another post baiting people. Ignore it. Think about it. What good does this post do? Larian, naturally, is going to do what they think is best. They have the entire time. They implement things like rest mechanics because enough people wanted something, not because of minority.

The OP was just trying to get people upset. I say, let's stop feeding these posts.