Originally Posted by Niara
Point was, to Tuco, that that thing that you're saying? It doesn't actually happen. If you look to PnP, there are armies of people on both sides who prefer point buy, or rolling. One is not unanimously 'better' than the other, otherwise there wouldn't be that constant debate.
Aside for the not negligible detail that in a pen & paper session the process is usually SUPERVISED by the DM, both systems "being debated" doesn't mean that both are equally fair or valid.
For the most part the debate is between factions that want different things. The fairness of putting everyone on a leveled field on one side ("Here's your bunch of points everyone, feel free to make the best use of them you can") and on the other side the thrill to "break the system rolling numbers out of the ordinary.


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Put that in a video game and the same thing will happen: there will be people who swear by point buy, and people who swear by rolling
Well, that's not a bold prediction to make, since that's precisely what already happens.

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I'll add... No, I personally suspect that you would NOT be fine with it if there was a limit on rerolls, Tuco. You would, I suspect, because I respect that you are quick to see the issues inherent in systems, probably be the first one to point out that it didn't solve the perceived problem, because it was character generation and a player could just back out of it when they ran out or rerolls, and come back in for a fresh set and keep rolling.
The inconvenience in this case would be the fair price to pay.
People will always find ways to break systems if they try hard enough, even at the price of "modding the game" (aka "cheating", in this case). it doesn't mean that breaking things should be made convenient and painless for their benefit.
Also, I'd be "fine" with that compromise in the sense that having to deal with the annoyance you are describing would give me a fully legitimate reason to NOT bother with it, instead of leaving me with the short end of the stick, aka "the sucker's option".

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Here's a question for you: If they went the full Solasta, and gave you points, array, rolling and direct setting (allowing you to simply set each of your sores to any value between 3 and 18), which would YOU use? You make it sound as though you'd feel obliged, even *compelled* to choose setting, and set all of your stats to 18 for everything all the time, because that would be the mechanically superior choice... and, for the supposition that 'everyone else' will 'leverage the exploit' to create 'superior' characters and you not wanting to be left behind with a lesser choice, you would do it and be unhappy about doing so... Is that incorrect? If so, what would you do? I am legitimately curious about this, and speak with good intentions - I want to understand where you stand on that spectrum of limits.
Since we are on topic, I wasn't a fan of the option even in Solasta. For the same exact reasons.
Anyway, in Solasta I chose to go with dice rolling (and I DID roll a bunch of times, indeed) because "setting stats manually at will" was a bit too much convenience even for me.
I'm still not particularly happy that it was even an option, because it's an open invitation to cheat INSIDE the rules of the system.

Anyway, as I said, the whole debate is entirely academic, since we already know dice rolling *is* coming to the game, no matter what I think of it.

Last edited by Tuco; 26/07/21 02:00 PM.

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