It is quite clear (from explicit and implicit statements) that most participants of this thread are not just agnostic but fully atheist. Yet there is a metaphysical concept of universal good and evil assumed as real in almost every post. Where has this unambiguous "evil" that people are referring to ever been proven? How has the evilness of actions referred to as evil been proven by strict deduction based upon demonstrable truth? Nowhere. For most people in the "west" a metaphysical remnant of absolute morality has been left over from a fading christian background. Projecting this notion of universal morals on to a fictional universe with its own metaphysics leads to a confusion of terms and boundaries of meaning.
I may exit this conversation because I think you throwing ideas around for fun. Not trolling but trolling adjacent
But I am explicitly saying saying "universal good and evil doesn't exist in our world, we turn to fantasy for things we wish were in our world but aren't". Things like fundamental human rights exist because we have decided they exist. Full stop.
And for me, as a pacifist, the the entire enterprise is suspect if we blur line between reality and fantasy. You don't solve problems with weapons. Kings and queens were ruthless, authoritarian strongmen with good PR . . .
