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I think you are mixing story, and system ... those are two different world, you cant take everything litteraly. :-/ Either way, current strength of these characters just doesn't make sense from a story perspective. Can you please list us all characters whos "strength" makes sence from a story perspective?  I mean ... Gale should have ben lover of Goddess of Magic herself ... Wyll should have ben great hero with dozens of sucessfull battles ... Etc. etc. you get the idea. I don't normally say this, but in this case you are 100% wrong. Story and mechanics HAVE to line up to some degree at least. Again, I play more than just D&D RPG. I've played Star Wars as well, many versions of it. I can only imagine what it would be like for me to throw my PCs against Darth Vader and have them kill him. Oh wait! That happened. The players were freaking out. "How can we kill Darth Vader? We aren't even that tough. I got a lucky hit and Vader is dead." If you create a villain and act like they are super tough, and then you make them mechanically able to be beaten in a single hit, or maybe 2 or 3, it is a HUGE letdown. Players will feel like, "What the crap was that?" People don't want villains who are blown way out of proportion only have them be killed in a hit or two. You CANNOT divorce story from RPG, ANY aspect of RPG. The whole POINT of RPG is to build your own story together with the DM and other players. You are BUILDING A STORY. If you divorce mechanics from story, there is a HUGE discrepancy in the game. Right now, Halsin is a baby weak fart that 1 of my level 4 characters could kill. I don't need all 4. I just need 1. THAT is not an archdruid. THAT is a baby druid who can't wipe his own butt. In fact, the first time I ever reached Halsin in previous playthroughs, I was frustrated to no end because I couldn't keep him alive. He'd take a few hits and die. I was like, "What the heck! This is NOT some accomplished healer who can lead a grove of druids, and Kagha was so easily beaten IN PATCH 5, and so was Olodan. I wiped the FLOOR with them. Every playthrough, I've wiped the floor with them. If I work my way to level 5 before I face them, I'm going to wipe the floor with them even more. Why? Because the story has BEEN divorced from the mechanics of the game. "Kagha is some big, tough druid. Better not challenge her." Level 3 character kills her in 3 or 4 hits. Hmmm. Something's wrong with that. "Olodan is even tougher! Look how Kagha fears her." Level 3 character kills her in 2 rounds. NOT tough at all. Why did they say she was? Ragzlin is a hobgoblin boss of the goblin horde. Beat him in 3 rounds. Hmmm... doesn't seem tough to me. Minthara DIDN'T DO A GOD BLESSED THING TO MY CHARACTERS during the Grove battle. I literally beat the living tar out of her. NOT what I'd call an ominous, tough bad guy. As for the Origin Characters, they had better explain why they are now Level 1 noobs because if they don't, that's a HUGE discrepancy to me and will ruin the entire game for me. I'm thinking they are explaining this because the tadpole has reset their abilities and started them over. Therefore, they went from super tough awesome Level 15+ characters to Level 1 noobs. Wyll says he could summon fire and such. Gale was Mystra's lover. Shadowheart seems to have been a powerful cleric of Shar/Selune. Lae'zel sounds like she used to be a powerful, possibly Kith'rak potential warrior. Astarion lived for 200 years as a vampire spawn, so he should be some super tough rogue. The tadpole SEEMS to have reset everyone's talents and skills. If that's not the case, or there isn't some actual, logical explanation, then that's just plain stupid. Don't tell me these super awesome, tough characters are only Level 1 at the start of the game and give me no reason for it. I'm telling you now, this game will drop from my all-time favorite game in the history of forever to absolute worst game of all time if they divorce mechanics from story and don't explain rational, logical elements like this. I'm just saying, it's utterly idiotic. Again, it's like making Anakin Skywalker a Level 1 Jedi Padawan. You can't do that. If you bring Anakin Skywalker into a story, you'd better at least make him a Jedi Knight and give him some nice stats.
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