LoL I am guilty of rolling to get a certain stat set. I have a few character archetypes (involved multi classing, feat combos etc)I have played for almost 30 years (yes late 40’s) in crpgs. There just wasn’t a “class” type or kit that fit as set up in a crpg. In table top, the DM rules, but did let us home brew as long as it was balanced. I have other “types” I play that don’t need this.

With that being said - I prefer the way the OG BG series did it. It IS easier in 5e to get closer to what I want because it doesn’t have all the ridiculous stat and alignment requirements the older editions had. The closest to the archetypes that I like are:

Paladin oath of the ancients (Fighter/Druid archetype)

Paladin oath breaker (Anti-Paladin God Hater archetype)

Shadow Druid atm doesn’t even have a kit/sub class type that I am aware of. BUT if I can actually be recruited to their side AFTER, agreeing to help lock down the grove that would be cool. The game mechanic that can open this up could be to know Khaga’s plans and affiliation, WITHOUT exposing the Shadow Druids… Then as a Druid, you can get an official invite or be put on a hit list if you decline. smile

These aren’t even guaranteed to even be in the game… So, for me it wasn’t about Min/Maxing but getting a certain “feel” in the games.