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1) When finding "Us", one of the choices is to kill it immediately because the character recognizes it as an Intellect Devourer. Yet we can ask if we are talking to a man or a brain, and if we fail the Arcana check, we have no clue what kind of creature it is, yet still says as the bottom option to kill it because it it's an Intellect Devourer. 2) Asking Lae'zel about Transforming when first meeting her. The character should only ask her who she is, and her response should be who she is, rather than "Your only chance of survival". 3) If the created character is a Cleric of Vlaakith, she still treats you as an underling, when she really should be deferring to you on everything. (She may not like your choices still). 4) When questioning Zorru, it should be your character automatically asking about where he saw other Githyanki. (She may not approve of your methods if you really want to give a relationship hit during that conversation.) 5) When meeting up with the Githyanki Patrol, Lae'zel should not just take off and run to the patrol, and your character shouldn't ask about the dragon. Nor should she snatch the disk out of your hands, but ask you to see it. And she shouldn't have to explain what it is. 6) When reaching the deck of the Nautiloid, and the Dragon strafes of the deck, your Githyanki character shouldn't fall down. 7) Put pants back on Githyanki Armor for male characters. 8) Fix the helm and circlet issues for Githyanki (make them actually fit). 9) Boots and Gloves should "fit" instead of looking like a 3 year old wearing a parents shoes and gloves. 10) If you put Githyanki Armor on Shadowheart, it clips really bad. 11) If you look closely at Lae'zel's hairstyle when creating a female Githyanki charcter, you'll see the hair at her temples is actually growing out of the air.
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2) Asking Lae'zel about Transforming when first meeting her. The character should only ask her who she is, and her response should be who she is, rather than "Your only chance of survival". IM not too familiar with Githyanki protocol, so maybe im missing something here ... But, why should she introduce herself instead of that? O_o I mean ... It makes sence to me that she will be annoyed by such stupid question concidering the situation, no matter what race asks it ... maybe even more if that is asked by another Githyanki.  3) If the created character is a Cleric of Vlaakith, she still treats you as an underling, when she really should be deferring to you on everything. (She may not like your choices still). Again ... maybe im missing something here ... But why? I mean ... Yes, Cleric of Vlaakith is obviously devoted to their lich queen ... as well as litteraly everyone else in their society.  I would understand that Clerics of Vlaakith would have quite high position in their society of course ... not quite sure if that apply to every single one of them tho.  5) When meeting up with the Githyanki Patrol, Lae'zel should not just take off and run to the patrol, and your character shouldn't ask about the dragon. Nor should she snatch the disk out of your hands, but ask you to see it. And she shouldn't have to explain what it is. Im sorry but ... what? Have you seen any Githyanki ever "ask" for anything? They simply tell you what you shall do ... they dont "ask".  Every sentence of Githyanki mouth sounds like order to me (Maybe there is some language block, tho) ... i cant imagine them to "ask".  7) Put pants back on Githyanki Armor for male characters. I didnt even notice they are gone ... but if they really are, i would welcome it ... at least final model would be closer to this.I presume you dont have any screenshot? 
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings.  Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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Put pants on both versions of Githyanki armor, I'm sick and tired, that my females should go bottomless, while their male counterparts have pants. Well, at least, it's equal rights for all concerning the Gith armor.
Other than that, I tend to agree with OP. As a Githyanki, you should have different dialogue options with Lae'zel. Some of them don't make sense.
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"We are all stories in the end. Just make it a good one."
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They just did again the whole, you're from that race but actually no.
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They just did again the whole, you're from that race but actually no. Yes, they did. Apart from some special dialogue lines, my Githyanki mage didn't feel different from any other race.
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They just did again the whole, you're from that race but actually no. It depends ... What benefit tied to race you would expect? I would expect special dialogue options, bonuses for some options, racial spells, stat bonuses, and possibly some racial-specific gear since the beginning. And except the last one, everything is there.  Apart from some special dialogue lines, my Githyanki mage didn't feel different from any other race. Except you can cast spells in Lae'zel armor ... cant you? O_o Also, you can jump aproximately 3 times as far as usual mage ... And i believe that when you get spellslot-free misty stepp on level 5, that would be also appreciated benefit. I mean ... What else did you expect? 
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings.  Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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They just did again the whole, you're from that race but actually no. It depends ... What benefit tied to race you would expect? I would expect special dialogue options, bonuses for some options, racial spells, stat bonuses, and possibly some racial-specific gear since the beginning. And except the last one, everything is there.  Apart from some special dialogue lines, my Githyanki mage didn't feel different from any other race. Except you can cast spells in Lae'zel armor ... cant you? O_o Also, you can jump aproximately 3 times as far as usual mage ... And i believe that when you get spellslot-free misty stepp on level 5, that would be also appreciated benefit. I mean ... What else did you expect?  That you can actually roleplay your race. I don't care a fig about casting spells in armor. Gith are different from human, elves, halflings or dwarves, let us get a feeling of what it means to be Gith
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That was not much specific answer. :-/ I would say that you can roleplay your race ...
Sure, there are some responces missing ... especialy when talking to your companions, i would like to have more "and why would i care" or "dont bother" answers. :-/ But that is not matter of single race.
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings.  Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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That was not much specific answer. :-/ I would say that you can roleplay your race ...
Sure, there are some responces missing ... especialy when talking to your companions, i would like to have more "and why would i care" or "dont bother" answers. :-/ But that is not matter of single race. Umm, yes, it was specific. The OP already mentioned some details, no need to list them again. Why bother with an alien race, when it doesn't feel different from playing all the normal Faerun races.
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I just wish our companions had stronger opinions about our background, race, and class. Like, Gale should have strong opinions about Warlocks (and hopefully sorcerers when added). Or if you spec in thief, why does no one comment on u robbing everyone? Or if you are a noble, maybe Asterion does not warm to you as quickly because he has been treated so badly by powerful families. Etc etc. This type of stuff is especially relevant for drow and Githyanki.
DAI had its faults, but I really liked how your background and race created very unique dialogues with your companions. As well as initial dislike/like that u had to work thru with some of them. Especially Sera.
These things make roleplaying a helluva lot more immersive. Its not just about picking unique dialogues…it is about having unique struggles and advantages when dealing with npcs.
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Umm, yes, it was specific. The OP already mentioned some details, no need to list them again. Why bother with an alien race, when it doesn't feel different from playing all the normal Faerun races. Nothing stops you list another one tho.  I understand what you mean, i remember how disapointed i was when i finded out that my Drow ... obviously one of most hated races in Faerun, was welcomed in Druid Grove, and everyone was willing to share their life stories with her, and entrust their fears and quests ... i mean, come on ... what parents would ask a FUCKING DROW to save their child from Kagha? :-/ I just dont think that Gith are so bad ... maybe my standards lowered in past year ... but anyway, i would say that Githyanki are more "unknown" then "concidered hostile" in Faerun.  Also personaly i disagree with most what he listed ... I mean lets look at it: - Asking Us if you are talking with brain, or the man ... You can do that only if you willingly ignore [GITHYANKI] option, that is right there for you to roleplay your alien ... i dare to presume if your Gith will be asking this question, s/he either never meet Intellect Devourer, or actualy really dont remember/know what it is. Yes the option is right there for us to surpass the Acrana Check ... but that is how it should work, some races need to remember, some other races should be so fammiliar with the concept, so its almost impossible for them to forget ... but still just "almost".  - Asking Lae'zel about Transforming when first meeting her ... What is wrong about that?  Why you should be unable to play Gith that is either too shocked to realize whole truth, or unaware of all details of ceremorphosis? Also, if you want to play Gith that is fully aware of all that is happening aroung here ... what is stoping you to simply dont ask this question?  - her response should be who she is, rather than "Your only chance of survival" ... I allready comented this abowe. This reaction seem perfectly fitting to Lae'zel personality, and the situation ... in my country we say: "Stupid answer to a stupid question."  - If the created character is a Cleric of Vlaakith, she still treats you as an underling, when she really should be deferring to you on everything. This one is problematic ... i mean, it totally makes sence that Clerics will have high rank in their society, but we have to remember few things here: 1) Our character is level 1 ... so, we are probably some kind of Novice at best > therefore no respect granted. 2) Lae'zel is so proud it hurts ... she basicaly allready see herself as Kith'rak.  3) Githyanki are lawfull evil race ... i know they have strict millitary order, and even tho im not quite sure in this claim ... i would say that in most millitary evil societies i know from various settings, it usualy works as "until you reach the rank, you are nothing". - When questioning Zorru, it should be your character automatically asking about where he saw other Githyanki. Here i would agree that option should be presented ... i cannot quite imagine Lae'zel keep behind and watch you silently. Zorru was her finding, asking him was her idea, she is the one who should start this conversation ... after all, as said abowe, she concider herself superiour to your character in most ways ... in this particular situation, it works exactly as it should in my eyes, bcs here you follow her to her goal and not other way around. - When meeting up with the Githyanki Patrol, Lae'zel should not just take off and run to the patrol Why not tho? O_o I mean, she finaly reached finish line of her search ... why exactly should she ignore the fact that right before her is group of her people that she is looking for, and have Kith'rak (high rank member of their society, as i understand it) with them, so they are clearly tied to some Creche nearby ... just bcs she allready travels with one of her kind, who had allready proven that s/he is no help with her curent problem (and potentialy repeately prooved incompetence in this matter) ?  - and your character shouldn't ask about the dragon Cannot coment this ... i dont really remember what our character actualy asks.  But if that is just conversation options ... same coment as with Us ... - Nor should she snatch the disk out of your hands, but ask you to see it. This i comented abowe ... Lae'zel asking is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heared. - And she shouldn't have to explain what it is. Honestly the scene seemed to me more like if she was comenting that for herself, more than explaining anyone else ... mostly bcs she usualy dont care about others.  //Edit: I just wish our companions had stronger opinions about our background, race, and class. Except class i agree ... and not just our companions, but whole world should.  But "at least companions" would be acceptable. :P Just please dont go the route with classes. :-/ It just seduce people to generalize too much ... also some names of our class, or sub-classes could be quite misleading. :-/ Take for example: Tief - Does that we picked this class sudently mean that our character is stealing more than if we would pick Arcane Trickster? (Or pickpocket with any other party member?  ) Assassin - Does that we picked this class sudently mean that our hands are anyhow bloodier than our Fighter? Knight (to use different class) - Did we become any more noble by picking this subclass?  Necromancer - Do we sudently feel the urge of consume every living soul around us? etc. etc. I just feel that our companions should react to what WE DO instead what our class is named. :-/
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I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings.  Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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Good points about class. But even little things like “you are a warrior…you know a good blade when you see one” would totally work. And imagine if you could respond to assumptions about your class?
“There is more to neuromancy than soul consumption, you know…we also enjoy a stiff drink now and again”. Lol
“Does a sword blessed by Tyr spill less blood than a knife to the back?”
Etc.
But i do agree that they should have opinions on what we do. For sure.
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I totally agree. Like, how can The companions don't have a direct opinion on a drow Tav? Sorry, but it's just not right. Especially for the elves' companions.
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You can ask Shadowheart as a drow, she doesn't mind them. She admires those who are skilled in manipulation in deception (like Raphael), so she'd approve of drow and their society. Afaik Astarion is lacking a reaction.
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You can ask Shadowheart as a drow, she doesn't mind them. She admires those who are skilled in manipulation in deception (like Raphael), so she'd approve of drow and their society. Afaik Astarion is lacking a reaction. how do I trigger this dialogue? I played often as Drow and never got any reaction from her, except once I decided to meet her at the gate instead of freeing her on the ship. I got some sort of attempt flirting because of her name with a drow dialogue, but that's all.
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how do I trigger this dialogue? I played often as Drow and never got any reaction from her, except once I decided to meet her at the gate instead of freeing her on the ship. I got some sort of attempt flirting because of her name with a drow dialogue, but that's all. I think you need to play the evil version of drow. When you meet her (previous patch) banging at the chapel door, my drow could ask Shadowheart if she is not afraid of "Lloth's chosen", to which she replied she is not like the most, because she respects drow.
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Good points about class. But even little things like “you are a warrior…you know a good blade when you see one” would totally work. And imagine if you could respond to assumptions about your class? Well ... class maybe ... certainly not subclass, that is thin ice area in my opinion ... It totally works for Fighter ... but how many small talks can you write for each class? And how would you approach the infamous Rogue? They are main stumbling-stone here ... other classes can be generalized, kinda, but Rogue? Rogues can be litteraly anything from Beggar, or Tief, over simple Traveler, to Assassin, or even Spellcaster.  As far as i know, the determining feature for all Rogues is that they are skilled in anything they are specialising to ... but problem is, it could be litteraly everything.  Also, there is a question how "lore-wise" are classes in DnD presented ... Is "Rogue" indeed something you can litteraly become, or is that just some set of rules for us people to sumarize theese expertised nobodies?  I mean Barbarians, Bards, Clerics, Druids, Fighters, Monks, Paladins, Warlocks, Wizards ... theoreticaly even Rangers and Sorcerers ... they all represent some "kind off" society, or order ... but where Rogues came from?  Do they have any common threat that unites them all? I dont think so.  Maybe my perception of this class is slightly off, but it seems to me like if your character cant fit anywhere ... you can simply become Rogue. 
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings.  Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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Lol. I always appreciate how thorough you are Ragnarok. And somehow you do it without writing an entire novel.
You have convinced me. 😁
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@RagnarokCzD All fair points, I grant. But the one thing you're overlooking is your character also is a Githyanki, and would not tolerate such behavior from her. Her actions would come to blows starting with your first meeting, and many others along the way. Her attitude toward "lesser" races is one thing. But that attitude toward another Gith? I don't know, but don't think so. Our created character is supposed to be "the main character" of that story arc.
As a side note, it seemed a bit more difficult to raise her relationship level playing through as a Gith. It seemed much easier playing through as both a Lolth-sworn and Seldarine Drow.
Oh and one thing I also forgot, was her calling you "istik (or what ever that name she used is), just before you reach the control panels in the chamber where you meet Shadowheart. When you interact with Shadowhearts pod, "Don't waste time on Istik (again, what ever that word is). Sounds like slave race to me. That definitely would have been a combat moment between you and Lae'zel.
Edit: Just correcting a typo I missed. I need to remind myself that posting before my first cup of coffee is always detrimental to my typing and grammar.
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But the one thing you're overlooking is your character also is a Githyanki, and would not tolerate such behavior from her. Her actions would come to blows starting with your first meeting, and many others along the way. Her attitude toward "lesser" races is one thing. But that attitude toward another Gith? I don't know, but don't think so. Well, i admit that i do not have definitive answer for this matter ... But speaking from my point of view, i see no reason why wouldnt you. O_o I mean, if you talk with Lae'zel a lot, at some point she admits that she was litteraly killing other Githyani during her training, and express no remorse or regret. That allone give me expression that Githyanki are not playing nice with each other, if you want someone respect ... you have to earn it yourself. But i admit that once you are in the camp, and therefore you have spare time ... it would be really nice if you could challenge her to a duel, bcs "you have enough of her attitude", or bcs "you want her to admit you as a leader of this group" ... and then just beating her ass to obedience (wich in my opinion should give you +1 to her reputation).  Our created character is supposed to be "the main character" of that story arc. That is completely irellevant if you ask me ... It might be part of your story, that she was underestimating you at start, bug later on she recognize value of your methods. In other words no, "main character" should never mean "the brithtest, strongest, fastest, and in all other ways the very bestest being in the universe, admired by everyone" ... that being have different name: "Mary Sue".  As a side note, it seemed a bit more difficult to raise her relationship level playing through as a Gith. It seemed much easier playing through as both a Lolth-sworn and Seldarine Drow. I never tryed to romance her with anything but a Gith ... And all i can say is that i never had any problem. o_O Oh and one thing I also forgot, was her calling you "istik (or what ever that name she used is) I didnt find the meaning of the word too ... It seemed to me that its suppose to be some semi-pejorative word for "non-Githyanki", simmilar to Gaijin from Japaneese ... But the Reddit seem quite certain that this word meaning is actualy something like "fool" ... So yes, she is insulting you ... but not so hard so it would be totally unbearable. So i admit, maybe it could cause some bad blood between you, but personaly i would presume that Gith are so pragmatical race, so they would first deal with the more pressing matter, wich is that they were infected and are on Ghaik ship in hells.  //Edit: It would be appreciated tho, if Larian offered us some translation ... after all, IF our character is Githyanki, it should be perfectly aware of meaning of that word. :-/ Personaly i would imagine it as: Blahblahblah blah blahblahblah blahblah Istik( :Fool) blahblahblah blah. 
Last edited by RagnarokCzD; 29/08/21 07:40 AM.
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings.  Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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