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I don't think so.

I don't think the Magubiyet loyalist goblin is an indication that they were set up in the temple for a long time. It just shows that the goblins followed Maglubiyet until the Absolute showed up. The goblin loyalist was a part of the tribe, and he refused to fall in line. Therefore, they locked him up. I took it as he was trying to lead a rebellion and turn the other goblins in his tribe against the Absolute. That's why he was there.


You've kind of lost me here.




Exactly. Indicating the goblins weren't supposed to be there and haven't been there that long. It was a big surprise. The wizard in Baldur's Gate knew nothing about goblins in the area, and more importantly, if they had been there for a long time, wouldn't Halsin have at least known about it? Does the man never pick up on anything going on in his territory that he wouldn't warn Aradin that the place is crawling with gobbos?




Ah geez! I hadn't even thought about that one. lol. Just another one that doesn't make sense. Also, as a side note, anyone ever notice that Andrick says that the nautiloid crashed off to the west? But the nautiloid is south of that position and the goblin camp is to the west. Hmmm. Andrick doesn't know his directions very well.


I do seem to recall that there was a dialogue where she called it a holy crusade. Interesting. I haven't triggered that one in awhile. Still, then that just proves my point again. If you choose one path, she is going to destroy the grove because she is convinced they are housing her prey. The next path, she's saying it's a holy crusade to wipe out the heretics. But you know? I don't recall her ever mentioning she was after the weapon.

And since you brought up the weapon, let's talk about that discrepancy. Sazza says the goblins were after the Looters. Aradin had busted in and that's who they were chasing. And yet, Findal says they were after the weapon. So which is it? Were they after Aradin and his crew or the weapon? When you talk to the goblin boss of that area, he berates Sazza and her team for screwing up the attack on the grove, and it's all about chasing the adventurers. Never once does he ask whether they found the weapon or anything. So why does Findal say they said they were after the weapon? Why would they tell Findal about the weapon? Why would they think the druids had the weapon? It was on the nautiloid, right? Even if the Absolute told Minthara or Gut that the heroes had the weapon, Minthara wouldn't have told her raiding crew about it before they chased after Aradin. So... makes no sense.


You lost me here.

Look, the way I figure it, here is how the events went down:


Now. I pieced this together making some pretty hefty stretches. I mean, it still is very odd to me that Halsin and Aradin took days upon days - so long that the druids and tieflings say things that imply they were gone for a long time.

But anyway, the point is that I'm not even sure about all of what I just put there. Is that how it went down? It's not really clear.

And THAT's the point of this thread. The story isn't clear. It makes no sense.



Missed my point and what I said entirely. The point is, there is no village in the area. None. No one mentions one. Nobody says, "There are villages across the river," or "There's a fishing village west of year," or anything. You just find all these random fishermen on the beach, dead. They were slaughtered, clearly, by the intellect devourers. Your MC even says so. There's at least a dozen of them or more besides the three that are alive. No one ever explains who those people were or where they came from. They were just there on the beach when the nautiloid crashed. Their boats were smashed and the intellect devourers killed them.

Where did they come from? There is no village around? No one tells you there is one? You don't even ask anyone; not even the three surviving fishermen. You don't say, "Hey! Where are you from and where did all these fishermen come from? Is there a village nearby? I'd really like to get my bearings. Where are we? At least if I knew of a village around here, maybe someone there could tell me. Do they have a healer? Do they have a temple to anyone?"

Nope. Just random dead fishermen all over the place. So, once again, you proved my point exactly. I know that there is a world beyond the game map; or at least there is supposed to be. However, Larian isn't telling us about that world.


I don't even know how to respond to this one. Perhaps will just let this one go.


Again, proving my point. I just whipped 3 days out my butt. I have NO idea how long it actually was. But then, neither do you. That much is clear. And that's my point. NOTHING is clear. Was it a month? Was it 3 days? Was it a year? Nobody knows how long the tieflings were in the grove before Halsin left. I'm assuming it was much less than a month because I think the tollhouse record indicates that the tollhouse was destroyed by goblins somewhat recently. Still, even the Current Date in the game is not provided. I have absolutely no idea what month or day it is when the game starts, and no one ever tells you. Therefore, give me timelines in books all you want with months and days in the tollhouse ledger, but if you don't tell me what the current day is, I have no frame of reference. Was Uktar 30 six months ago? Was it yesterday?


I already addressed this, I think.


I already addressed this too, I think. Basically, NOTHING in the game indicates that what you are saying here is true. NOTHING. The scale, the fact that I can literally measure out every foot of the map...

You see, when games stretch things out so that if I run for 10 minutes I'm actually travelling 10 miles, there's time that passes in the game to indicate that you are not really moving only 30 feet. There's a clock that shows how minutes are going by for every second you are travelling. Either that, or someone tells you it is a greater distance somewhere; maybe even in the tutorial or on an area map somewhere. Either that or they don't zoom in but they show you a birds' eye view of the whole map of the region... you know... like BG3 does later when you attempt to leave the area. Nope! None of that in BG3. Instead, you can Turn Base and everything is literally foot for foot, and since there is no time or day/night, there is literally no indication that anything is further than what it appears.

Soooooo. Enough said. The point is, LOTS of plot holes and unexplained things in BG3. I want this game to be REALLY AWESOME because I love playing it and I think it has SO much potential, but they've got a LOT of work in the cohesive story department. One of my biggest challenges in writing my fan fiction IS that the story is hard to piece together in some cohesive way. I keep replaying parts or rereading books and scrolls in the game trying to figure it all out and make sense of it. That is actually one of the main reasons I'm still working on it. It isn't so much for you people, because frankly I doubt many are even reading it. It's for my own sake so I can try to make sense of it all, and because I love writing.

This game is fun to play, but when you really start to think through it, the whole thing falls apart, and for me, that will ruin the entire game and make it one of the worst games I've ever played.