In your opinion, players should have to get together and discuss at length the basic storyline details of a video game? In order to fully understand the story, even the most minor story elements of it, they need to discover the truth together through discussion?
More like you need to concider all aspects together, instead observing them separately.
Example:
Presumtion:
Aradin was in Goblin ruins ... Sazza is talking about intruders/looters ... therefore Aradin is Intruder Sazza is talking about.
> This might seem true, as long as you concider it alone.
Another aspect you didnt concidered:
Sazza was allready inprisoned when Aradin arived the Grove chased by Goblins ... therefore Aradin cannot be the one who Sazza was talking about ... bcs she was in that cage, when Aradin was in Goblin camp.
Its nothing bad about being wrong ...
What is bad is keep repeating things that dont make sence and refuse to admit that you might simply miss something. BUT ... just to cover both sides, note that even Larian are just humans, and they could oversight something just as easily as we could.
I should be able to understand what is ACTUALLY happening in the story by myself.
Tell me, in wich case you do not understand what is happening?
I shouldn't need to go out and discuss it in a committee to learn the actual truth of what is happening in the game especially about minor story points.
This whole topic is about things that do not make sence in this game, storywise.
I dare to say that if you really, and i mean REALLY wants to talk about that, you simply cannot include any of your observation or conclusion ... just facts that are litteraly said, written, or are happening in game ... for the sake of objectivity.
In other words ...
Few basic informations you put to your understanding of story yourself and was never mentioned anywhere else:
1) Goblins were not present around here until recently
2) Halsin personaly saved Tieflins when they were attacked by Gnolls, and lead them to the Grove
3) Aradin and his group is those Looters goblins are talking about
4) Quote:
"8. Halsin, Aradin and company arrive at the Goblin Camp and find it overrun by goblins. Not wanting to give up on their quest, they seek a way inside. This takes time, and they are constantly hiding from goblins and drow as they work their way around looking for some way to get in.
9. The nautiloid shows up. Now goblins are on full alert and crawling everywhere. Aradin and his crew can't even move now. They're stuck in hiding because goblins are searching all around for survivors from the crash.
10. Raiding party runs into Aradin, Halsin and company, finding them in their hiding place."
This all is nothing but your own headcanon ...Dont get me wrong, its nothing wrong about having some ... i also made my own ... that is how people process missing parts of any story (both if they are actualy missing, of if they are there and those people just missed them).
All i say that if there is something illogical in story AFTER you add your own parts, it might simply be that you added something wrong.
Also ... i absolutely disagree with that statement ...
For one, that is exactly what comunity is there for ...
For two, nobody and i mean it litteraly, is able to notice everything everywhere and anytime, so comunity can help you with things you might oversight, or didnt even concidered ...
And for three, even if you have all dots present ... there is no guarantee that you will connect them corectly at first sight.
Humans are beings capable of misstakes, there is no shame in that.
The story should be built in such a way that while I'm playing it, I learn the actual plot of the story;
Again, tell me wich part of "actual plot" you are missing.
And no ... you certainly should not be able to complete whole picture of everything without at least minimum effort of some kind of investigation.
Again, the fact that you are even saying that it's all my perspective versus yours tells me that the story details are too ambiguous.
Not necesarily ...
That is what that picture is about ...
You see square shadow, therefore you expect object to be cube ...
I see circle shadow, therefore i expect object to be orb ...
But in the end it might be something entirely different ... in this case cylinder.
Also i never did any "my own personal perception versus yours" that sounds like really stupid competition over videogame, that isnt even finished yet to the top of all.
You are connecting dots one way ... im connecting them different way ... one of us might be right, we both can be wrong ...
I was only showing you things that negates, or changes some details your theories, bcs i presumed you simply oversight them, or didnt take them in concideration ... i expected the same from you ...
Now it seems to me that you didnt even want to talk about story, you just wanted to complain that it is bad no matter anything ... if that is the case, you are right, futher conversation is pointless.
Shouldn't a player be able to play the game for the first time and basically give me the main timeline of events of the story and have it roughly align with my own because there is a clear story taking place?
Well ... depends on what do you see as "basically main timeline of events of the story" ...
Bcs concidering it from my definition ... we already have that ...
Sure, some minor details might seem a little blur, but main story seem to me explained enough and pretty intact. O_o Ofcourse it would make even more sence once we will know it whole, since it is possible that Larian keeps some dots hidden from us so far.
Should Player 1 get an entirely different idea of what is happening than Player 2? Seriously? Is that what you're telling me?
First of all i dont even think that is happening ...
So, logicaly, no that is certainly not something im telling.
If i read your and mine timeline, all difference i see is in things like how long Goblins are living here ... when Halsin leave ... who are Goblins talking about ... and what are their reasons for their actions.
Everything else (read as: "main timeline of events of the story") seem similar enough.
Except the scale of map ... that is also quite HUGE aspect you seem to ignore.
