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Maybe sorcerer with wild magic?
That would be alot of fun and I honestly think Larian could make that particular class very unique. It is also a class where humorous effects would be welcome.
More welcome by far than the eye rolling salami thing.
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Page 195 top left (part of the 'unseen attackers and targets' section handles attacking someone who cant see you: "When a creature can't see you, you have advantage on the attack."
When you attack someone while invisible for example you still have advantage. Because they cant see you. If you lose invisibility after the attack you dont keep the benefit, but thats besides the point. People can be aware of your presence and still get hit by advantage because they cant see you. Likewise, people can be aware of you but be blinded. Same thing, they might hear you or heck even smell you. But they cant SEE you. Advantage on the attack.
So uhm. No. Larian had it right and every group that says that people attacking others from the rear dont get disadvantage are actually house ruling it. If you go strictly by whats written. But every DM is free to play it as they feel fit. Just moving behind a person and getting free advantage is way to powerfull id say so I agree with them toning it down. But RAW. They had it right. Combatants often try to escape their foes' notice by hiding, casting the invisibility spell, or lurking in darkness.
When you attack a target that you can't see, you have disadvantage on the attack roll. This is true whether you're guessing the target's location or you're targeting a creature you can hear but not see. If the target isn't in the location you targeted, you automatically miss, but the DM typically just says that the attack missed, not whether you guessed the target's location correctly.
When a creature can't see you, you have advantage on attack rolls against it. If you are hidden--both unseen and unheard--when you make an attack, you give away your location when the attack hits or misses. It's heavily intended that you have to be hidden, invisible, or in darkness for these rules to apply. There are a lot of single sentences that can be taken out of context. Also Larian's backstab was not one-to-one with the vision cone, so no Larian was not applying a "can't be seen, get advantage". It was very clearly borrowed code from Divinity: Original Sin 2. It's the same reason why NPCs/Enemies currently have no sense of sound/hearing, borrowed code from Divinity: Original Sin 2. It is not heavily implied that you have to be hidden. Now you are the one who it taking things out of context. The part covers attacking someone when they cant see you, or beeing attacked while you cant see them. No where does it state that you need to be hidden to gain that benefit. It is the most common (and easy) way to gain it however. Id love the sorcerer actually. Specially dragon sorcerer at least from RP perspective is interesting. Even if combat wise its not all that Hidden, invisible, or in darkness is more than "hidden". This is why I directly quoted the PHB, where the rule is meant to be taken all together. An enemy can turn their head and can perceive around themselves. It's why the rules for Sneak Attack are written as they are. It's why the optional rule of Facing is written as such: Optional Rule: Facing
If you want the precision of knowing which way a creature is facing, consider using this optional rule.
Whenever a creature ends its move, it can change its facing. Each creature has a front arc (the direction it faces), left and right side arcs, and a rear arc. A creature can also change its facing as a reaction when any other creature moves.
A creature can normally target only creatures in its front or side arcs. It can’t see into its rear arc. This means an attacker in the creature’s rear arc makes attack rolls against it with advantage.
Shields apply their bonus to AC only against attacks from the front arc or the same side arc as the shield. For example, a fighter with a shield on the left arm can use it only against attacks from the front and left arcs.
Feel free to determine that not all creatures have every type of arc. For example, an amorphous ochre jelly could treat all of its arcs as front ones, while a hydra might have three front arcs and one rear one.
On squares, you pick one side of a creature’s space as the direction it is facing. Draw a diagonal line outward from each corner of this side to determine the squares in its front arc. The opposite side of the space determines its rear arc in the same way. The remaining spaces to either side of the creature form its side arcs.
On hexes, determining the front, rear, and side arcs requires more judgment. Pick one side of the creature’s space and create a wedge shape expanding out from there for the front arc, and another on the opposite side of the creature for the rear arc. The remaining spaces to either side of the creature are its side arcs.
A square or hex might be in more than one arc, depending on how you draw the lines from a creature’s space. If more than half of a square or hex lies in one arc, it is in that arc. If it is split exactly down the middle, use this rule: if half of it lies in the front arc, it’s in that arc. If half of it is in a side arc and the rear arc, it’s in the side arc. To not be seen by an enemy requires more than walking behind them. If you move behind an enemy, they turn to face you. Unless the table adopts an optional rule. If you have something credible to go with, feel free to DM me. Lol you are the one bringing up optional rules and concepts from previous editions. If someone is surrounded they cant face towards everybody. Heck even 2 people attacking from opposite sides mean he cant see 1. Whatever, il say again: they implemented the literal RAW interpretation of the rule. And then they removed it when feedback about ir showed up saying it was a bit much. What you are referring to is beeing noticed, not seen. Someone can try to sneak stealthily and be noticed by making noise without beeing seen. Youd would know hes there, but if he can attack you from that position wihout becoming visible to you hed get advantage. And yes you can notice someone without seeing them in which case their stealth (if they were trryng to be stealthy) would be broken to you. You could be attacked by a hunky noisy rusty mecha that you could hear coming from a mile away but if you couldnt see him with your eyes hed get advantage. Back on topic... Do we got any proof other then 'something magical' is coming because in dnd that doesent really narrow classes down alot tbh xD
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The "make magic" could refer to something other than class, perhaps crafting magical items? Though I'd really like to see a wild magic sorcerer, I've had lots of fun with a wild mage in BG2.
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Hmm that could be a posibility. If they do included crafting I hope we dont get it this early in the game but allowing us to test it if they do implement it does make sense.
Maybe they are overhauling the spell book? Currently you can change your known spells at a whime which shouldnt be possible. And maybe add some spells here or there because I dont think everything is in the game yet?
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The announcement explicitly states they are adding a new class.
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https://scontent-prg1-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...e75c8f453104037b3332bedf&oe=6183006COkey, okey ... This does not seem like a Bard even a little bit.  (Notice those scales on his forehead and neck!!!)
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I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings.  Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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nice ! where do you get that ?
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On Facebook just few seconds back ... I didnt even reupload it to imgur so i can use img tags ... but just used link from facebook itself. Its on twitter too.
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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On Facebook just few seconds back ... I didnt even reupload it to imgur so i can use img tags ... but just used link from facebook itself. Its on twitter too. Thanks mate for the news!!! Yeah, we can concur it is sorcerer.
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Yeah, it is clear now. They kinda saying new spells are coming as well. Cant wait.
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I am mildly disappointed, seems all of the development focus has been on the magic side of things rather than looking into martial balance. But Sorcerer is the last really magical class left (Bard doesn’t really count as their spells are largely utility and they’ll actually do more than casting spells all the time).
This is also indirect confirmation that we aren’t seeing reactions yet, or else we would be getting a class reliant on it instead. Then again, we all knew they’d probably hit a snag before we see anything.
The wait continues. :p
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Ah man loving the appearance of dragon-like scales! Thats bad ass
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I saw an article elsewhere where Larian were promoting (alongside the new class) the forthcoming capability to dual wield salamis…*face palm*
They just can’t help themselves can they? Am I the only grumpy bastard who just doesn’t find this sort of thing very funny…at all? Don’t get me wrong, I love humour but this Larian style just isn’t my thing…
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I dunno about elsewhere ... But i have seen the same right here: https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=791827#Post791827You certainly are not "the only grumpy bastard" ... there is lot of others on this forum alone. :P
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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I saw an article elsewhere where Larian were promoting (alongside the new class) the forthcoming capability to dual wield salamis…*face palm*
They just can’t help themselves can they? Am I the only grumpy bastard who just doesn’t find this sort of thing very funny…at all? Don’t get me wrong, I love humour but this Larian style just isn’t my thing… Same here... it's more ridiculous than fun to me. But it COULD be okay to me IF the wild magic sorcerer could accidentaly change a character's weapons in salami for a turn or two. Well "fun"... not really fun but you know... A bit less stupid. Wild magic is WTF and this could be an appropriate level of WTF... eventually.
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If you look at reddit, there are plenty of people who vibe with their sense of humor.
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I saw an article elsewhere where Larian were promoting (alongside the new class) the forthcoming capability to dual wield salamis…*face palm*
They just can’t help themselves can they? Am I the only grumpy bastard who just doesn’t find this sort of thing very funny…at all? Don’t get me wrong, I love humour but this Larian style just isn’t my thing… Agree 100%... at least I guess it's kinda toned down from DOS2? For sure it's VERY toned down compared to DOS1.
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I dont even know if streaming is allowed ... But if anyone finds any stream from EGX ... let us know, please.
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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Wonder if Larian is going to try to balance the Sorcerer or keep them as is in the PHB? The original Sorcerer subclasses knows a brutally small amount of spells - 5 total at 4th level.
WoTC have recently started giving the new Sorcerer Subclasses the equivalent of swappable Domain Spells to balance this out - i.e. the Clockwork Soul & Aberrant Mind in Tasha's.
I know even Solasta also added in "Domain spells" for Sorcerers to give them more, following in Tasha's footsteps.
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While I agree the Sorcerer on its own isn't very complex - what I'm hoping for in this patch is the fact that because now that we have both Sorcs and Wizards, Larian's gotta start fixing the current loosey goosey magic system to properly establish the differences between the 2 classes. I.e. are Wizards going to continue to be able to learn Cleric spells? Or switch them on the fly? Hoping they'd address that.
If it's kept the same, there's almost no reason to play a Sorcerer.
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