I can narrow exactly what feels off: The gameplay.
From the first gameplay reveal where Vincke gets his ass kicked and only wins the very first encounter by dipping his bow literally into fire and exploding a barrell to kill all enemies I didn't feel like that was 5E D&D.
Surface effects, shoving, jumping and disengaging as bonus actions, high ground, walking behind enemies to get backstabs. It felt like playing DOS with d20
Then grats, the comment wasent aimed at you
I was talking about people who have complaint but cant narrow down themselves what their complaint is, and then proceed to hurl abuse your way when you ask them to clarify. I never said it applies to ALL people who have unclear feedback. Just alot from what I can see.
Say with your list of complaints id ask what you mean with surface effects and youd spend 5 paragraphs cursing at me about how im a Larian fanboy for not agreeing with you and all of this sheit wasent in BG2 or something like that
thats the kind of stuff im talking about...
As has been mentioned elsewhere, none of us are gate-keepers of what is legitimate or helpful feedback and what is not. A person's opinion that the game does not feel like it should, if it is to be considered as the game it is claiming to be, is feedback - and if many people share that opinion, even if they do not or cannot articulate it well, then that it very important feedback. Neither you, nor anyone else here, have any right to attack anyone else or demean their thoughts and opinions, or to attempt to act as any kind of gatekeeper about what's valid and what isn't: unless you are an actual Larian employee, you don't have that information. Beyond that, stating those thoughts and opinions is why we are all here in the first place.
Id love it if people 1: Dident put words in my mouth that I dident say and 2: used words with the meaning that that is tied to them....
From quikly googling the word Gatekeeping: the activity of controlling, and usually limiting, general access to something.
In the context of this discussion im assuming you think im trying to gatekeep the feedback that gets send to Larian. Correct?
Where did I say that people cant post those comments or anything to that nature? Good luck finding it in my post because it isent there. If anything, the opposite is true. I WANT people to share their feedback. But I want them to do it in a manner that actively helps the developers improve the game. I want them to provide constructive feedback. Not just feedback. Because generic feedback contrary to what you say is infact NOT usefull in this case.
You were bringing up the point that 'maybe look at the criticisms from an objective standpoint. Because since people keep bringing them up, perhaps they actually exist for a reason?' which I find an interesting take on generic non-descriptive feedback. Which I found abit of a misleading concept to begin with. Something beeing brought up alot doesent mean its true. And for all the people that brought it up, a good portion of people dident bring it up. We dont have numbers exactly but say 1% of people feel like this. Would that warrant this feeling to be something that needs to be investigated? Would it if 50% did? Or 90%? Regardless, let me explain why I think it isent helpfull at all
no matter how many people bring it up.....
Say I go to work at a place and my employer thinks im not doing my job well and can do better. Ok, thats fine. People make mistakes and im sure theres room for improvement if im just starting out there. In what area and how should I improve? Oh no particular area. Just do your job better. Do you, or do you not think that helps this situation that I just described?
Another example. Say im hired as a cook and my job is to cook steak. My employers tells me im not doing a good job but need to improve. Ok but how? Are the steaks to raw? Are they not well done when they need to be? Do I keep burning the steaks? Do I need to much time to cook the steaks properly? Am I not seasoning the steaks properly? Theres so many areas to go with this very generic feedback. Without more input other then 'you need to do better' I dont know in WHAT area I need to improve, or how to improve. If I dont know what exactly im doing wrong how do you in gods name expect me to fix it?
Add to that 100 people might offer 100 different anwsers and its (at least in my opinion) not hard to see why very generic non-descriptive feedback is getting both the players, who wnat something fixed. And the developer who wants to produce the best possible product, exactly 0 result.
For the rest of your post, I know fully well that alot of people ARE providing very solid feedback. Im very happy with that! But theyre also not the ones coming to threats to complain about completly different topics then the threads that they are visiting. They are for a lack of a better term 'not causing a fuss' and my comment wasent directed at them. And the fact that my words get twisted to paint some narative that im painting everyone with the same brush and am some tyrant that wants everyone to only read the feedback that I approve of is, in your own words 'either overtly disingenuous, or wilfully ignorant.'
The past 15 replies were indeed getting nowhere. And maybe its time people learn to do what (at least in my youth) was very normal and actually a sign of beeing an adult. Agree to disagree and move on. People are allowed to disagree on things and like you said; we all want the game to be the best that it can be. Maybe things arent getting fixed because Larian is working on it, and need more time. Maybe its not getting fixed because it goes against their vision and theyre ok with it. Maybe its not fixed yet for a meriad of other reasons. Maybe it is fixed and we will see it in patch 6? Who knows! I see no point in lingering on the forums for months and brining up your gripe with the game by invading tons of threads because it isent getting fixed fast enough in your opinion. Thats not healthy behaviour either. Take a step back. Relax abit. Its a game. We all want it to be the best thing since sliced bread. But some things are seriously not worth raising your blood pressure to such levels.
