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dragon age offered very few skills with no way to swap between them, and even less items - meaning I never had to use a second hot bar Wait what "second hot bar" ?  I was pretty sure you could have additional "rows" like in D:OS. It's been a while since I played DA:O so I must have been confused (won't be reinstalling the game to check it out, but it doesn't seem to be the case). Eitherway - game had limited enough repertoire that one hotbar was enough. As to chaining, there was little to no reason to seperate/switch control to other characters. We either played quite different Dragon Age games ... or you played only as a Rogue. Since Rogue was the only one able to lockpick, there was a lot of reasons (actualy 1, but lot of cases) to switch characters. And? I do remember chain system already being a minor issue in that instance (companions triggering traps the rogue was told to disarm). BG3, beind designed around 4 coop players you will have to switch constantly between characters, set them up move them around, engage in conversation with the right character (or more importantly not engage in conversation with a wrong character), loot things with a right character (that one mostly has to do with garbage hotbar, and need to constantly manage it manually), and many others. Since I was introduced to strangely hidded "group/ungroup all" shortcut it became much better, but still behind competition even using the same system (see Wasteland3, which proper selection and grouping). General unresponsiveness of controlls and lack of action cueing still remains an issue though. There is really no such thing as "skills I always use" Try Warlock.  Eldrich Blast > Eldrich Blast > Eldrich Blast > Eldrich Blast > Eldrich Blast > Eldrich Blast > Eldrich Blast > Eldrich Blast > Eldrich Blast > Eldrich Blast > Eldrich Blast > ... And once again: A hotbar is not a spellbook. It's not a scroll case or potion case. It should only be used for what's hot. See Pillars of Eternity1&2 - as far as I know an unlimited amount of shortcuts for any unassigned keyboard keys. There I always assign QWERTY to skills and spells I would use most in encouters (and they are nicely visually listed if I want to use a mouse - and near portratis too for quick character/skill selection!). Well designed and functional UI on top of that giving all information you need (for that given game - obviosly due to the differences in the system stealing design wouldn't result in perfect UI for BG3) Some and i admit i dunno how much, but i was one of them without a doubt ... cryed on the other hand, bcs this change bring a lot of problems for us: - first of all, Icons no longer show minimum Spell Level you can use them ... so if you want to plan your moves in advance, you must either actualy learn all your spells, or check every tooltip you have ... otherwise you can easily end in situation where i personaly was a lot of time, when i used my last 2lvl spell slot to attack, thinking that since Misty Step dont have any "II." on icon, it can be casted with 1lvl spell slot ... but it cannot, so my caster died bcs my UI was playing against me. -_- - second, it was the fact that casting everything was prolonged ... not by much, aproximately in matter of seconds, somethimes not even whole ... but it the end, combat laster longer, bcs you rarely cast only single spell.  But that is not the problem, problem was it was more tedious for no real reason. Take it if you have party of 4 Wizards and you wish to buff them all with Mage Armor ... in old system you would just click on spell and target ... meaning 8 click top ... in "new and better" casting system its 12 ... and that is just single spell preparation, add False life to that and you have 24, instead of 16 add darkvision and you have 36 instead of 24 ... etc. you get the idea. - third and that is my personal favourite, Larian didnt implement any kind of sorting since begining of EA ... so all those spells in those popup windows are ALLWAYS sorted randomly ... not so big deal, while you have only 2 spells there of wich one is level 1 and other one is level 2 ... much more anoying if you search for right HEX ... or, now witch patch 6 if you search for right Chromatic Orb All you do here is argue why the currect design sucks, not why it is better. Yes, you want to know what resource the spell will be using - that is kind of organization I want Larian to make. Yes I want spells to be organised in a helpful way, not just thrown into a box at random (like hotbar). And no, I don't argue for removal of hotbar entirely - it is a helpful feature for hotskills (like eldrich blast, like mage armor, or false life if those are spell you expect to use often). Personally, hotbar doesn't even work as a shortcut to me. It would be nice to have a shortcut for eldrichlife and false life and hex for Wyll in my current playthrough - but as I am organising skills by type (per short rest, per long rest, cantrips, level1 spells etc) skills that I want to use often don't line up with shortcuts. Even if I went to the effort of replicating a janky version of a system I would like to see (create "organised" list, AND an actual hotbar with the most commonly used stuff on different hotbars) it will still not work, with skills like Hex which spawn new skills which you will have to find somewhere on your hotbar.
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