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Originally Posted by Niara
Point was, you claimed that they just expect it of you. I'm pointing out that, no, actually, they don't. They ask for your help - they don't expect you to give it.

You are right insofar that the Tieflings really "ask" that I take down an entire Goblin camp on my own without them helping in the slightest way. And they actually accept it graciously if I turn them down for obvious reasons.

It is you who expects me to go on that suicidal mission wink

Originally Posted by Niara
The reality of the situation is that the Tieflings are so blisteringly "good-characterised" and the druids are so extremely cruel-hearted towards them that it stretches the writing to breaking point and defies true engagement... that's actually a complaint I've seen from others and I understand it.

There's a lot that doesn't make any sense about the whole set-up, and it's a failing in the writing that that's the case... it does make discussing the intricacies of the situation messy though, especially if we're trying to measure it against reality.

Well, yes, the setup seems a little forced. As I have pointed out elsewhere, the graphics and polishing of BG3 is really great, but the big weakness of Larian has in my humble opinion always been their world building and writing. However, I feel it has become much better from the 'wacky' world of Divinity Original Sin 2 to Baldur's Gate 3. And maybe in the next iteration, their world building and writing will get even better.

And yes, I agree that I'm comparing this fantasy world too much to actions I would take in reality.

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If you aren't capable of removing the goblin issue in some way, that's one thing - and sure, attempting it when it's not within your capabilities would be pretty stupid and reckless... but that's not the scenario we're talking about here. We're talking about something that is within your capabilities.

I had to save/reload several times in the Goblin camp. Which means in reality my adventurers would most likely be dead.

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Originally Posted by Arne
It is you who expects me to go on that suicidal mission wink

I have, in the past, been accused of being an unrelenting idealist, despite my otherwise rational and analytical approach to most things, and of seeing (or rather, hoping for) the best in everyone around me... it's probably contributing a good deal to my distaste for several of our fixed companions, if I'm honest.

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Love this discussion but...can someone remind me what suggestion/feedback we discuss in this thread? :P

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Originally Posted by ash elemental
I've had the impression that the tieflings are trying to manage their life as best as they can, not that they are "earning their keep". For example, I am not sure if the smith running his forge/shop there is all that beneficial to the grove. But what I find amusing is that what they have in common with the druids is that both ask you to undertake a mission for them, but neither is really willing to support you.

You are not the only one with such an impression. At the actual fight tieflings only open/close gates, the mercs fight. And tieflings are "so good" at watching their (mind you!) mischievous, that the children are stealing left and right and practically run a criminal ring there already. Tieflings demand, they squabble with the druids and each other, they treat the place as their own.
The food and goods tiefling mind, are some they prepare for the trip. They meet you, a total stranger with some fighting capabilities, and do not ask you to guard them - a reasonable request, no, they want you to clear the full path for them, to kill hoards of goblins. And in addition to killing all goblins, they want you to kill Kahga - and for that Zevlor is willing to pay, not for goblins. What kind of "innocent good people" are these?!

Really, Kahga's suggestion is very reasonable here - bring those tieflings to the city, protecting on the way. Sure, it's easier than taking down the whole goblin camp? And druids can take care of the grove in peace and quiet.

Originally Posted by ash elemental
This is metagaming knowledge to me. At this point unless you took a really long way around to the grove, you do not now what the goblins forces are, you haven't met Minthara. This is the situation Aradin's party run into. And at that point they were comparable to your party in fighting power and equipment. His estimate was that the goblins were top much for a small mercenary party too handle. And frankly if the goblins & their leaders were not controlled by a computer, but by another player would they still be easy to beat?

Pretty much that. Tieflings are just terrible.


But we were here to thank Larians for the new class (yes, the beloved one for so many!) and for the option to stay at least in some cases neutral.

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Originally Posted by PrivateRaccoon
Love this discussion but...can someone remind me what suggestion/feedback we discuss in this thread? :P

(1) I just wanted to thank Larian for the sorcerer class.
(2) And to thank them for the many dialog options/paths which surely were a lot of work & most players won't ever see all of them.

-> So, it's just a thank you thread, not so much a feedback thread.

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Originally Posted by Maximuuus
I agree that we sometimes lack options in dialogs.
I would be incredibly gratefull if you all would just put options you miss here:
https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=741085#Post741085 smile


I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
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On topic, let's not forget that "Thank you, I really appreciated this element and enjoyed it" is also legitimate, valid feedback, and worth mentioning.
As much as I'm a strong proponent of critical honesty and not pulling punches here in a feedback forum intended for an EA, speaking up for the good points is something we shouldn't neglect or downplay either ^.^

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