Originally Posted by Saito Hikari
Romances should be like in the Pathfinder games, something you had to build up on throughout the course of the whole game.
No they should not ...
There is nothing more unconvincing than when you see two people, who are obviously into each other ... their bond is going deeper, and deeper ... they are facing life threatening dangers in daily basis, sometimes even often ... and then they decide to sleep separately in their own tents, bcs "they wish to wait for the right time" ...
That really feels good to you? laugh Immersive? Real?

Come on ...
If you search clubs, i bet in at least half of them you can find at least one young pair banging on toalets, while they dont even know each other name.
Because its pleasure and fun! Nothing more, nothing less.

I mean sure, some shy romantic soul that will wait for the right moment and will share only kiss with us on first date is quite okey.
Shadowheart does ... so, feel free to romance her.

But dont tell me you believe that in medieval phantasy ... in times when woman usualy had baby per year, in times when peasants usualy had dozens (plural) of kids (and i must admit that most of them didnt even reach puberty before passing out for some disease) ... people were "waiting for the right moment". laugh


Originally Posted by GM4Him
She literally went from ravenous wolf to little puppy overnight. Suddenly, she can't bring herself to kill my character. Man! That was some POWERFUL love making.
You also litteraly magicaly "focused your mindcontrolling brain worm on her desire" ...
Who knows what that exactly means? laugh

[sarcasm]Maybe Tav is here that manipulative asshole, who is using this fragile and vulnerable murdering maniac to something she would never want by herself. :P :P :P [/sarcasm]


Originally Posted by JandK
She's dangerous, deadly. No one is safe around her. She's a monster to everyone.
I mean, that is quite acurate description ...
But you seem to forgeting that to get closer to her ... you need to be dangerous, deadly and litteraly participate on slaughter entire village (grove, w/e) civilians and childern INCLUDED ...

I mean sure, none healthy and sane person would probably desire such woman ...
But is our Evil Tav really healthy and sane person? laugh


Originally Posted by JandK
Everyone except you, that is. In your arms, she softens. She trusts you, and only you. Your bond is powerful, strong enough to break through walls of pain that have been erected over years. Together, you are different people than you are alone, a team against all the rest of the world. It speaks of loyalty and deep connection.

Is there something inherently wrong with a player who feels this way?
Funny how differently this sounds when you snip out the other part. laugh
I get some mixed signals here. O_o


Originally Posted by GM4Him
Sorry, but I like romance. This is not it.
This might be just language block ... i dare to presume those are synonyms in english ...
But there is difference in my language between romance (a relationship, no matter what kind) and being romantic (building the relationship). O_o


Originally Posted by JandK
I completely get where you're coming from, for what it's worth.

But I think what's going on here is something unique. Things start as a raw desire for sex, passionate, animalistic in the sense that she wants you after the fight, high on adrenaline and the glory of the Absolute. She's probably used to taking partners when the mood strikes, so this is nothing new to her.

Yet in the following scene, things don't go that way. The sex isn't wild and hard and full of promised domination with hands bound, no. It's slower. A coupling. Two partners pleasuring one another, and I think this is surprising for Minthara.

Note the way the two of them are immediately connected via the tadpoles. They can see one another's desires. She asks Tav to lay down on the altar. Tav can respond, asking why. In that moment, they share another connection. It's these intense connections that keep happening. I'd argue it happens with Minthara in this scene more than with any other character.

When they finish having sex, this is the moment. They lay together on the altar, and once again their minds join. Her mind is laid bare before Tav. Where else does this happen? Sure, there are connections that the tadpole gives here and there, but this is played deeper. They've had sex, they've joined their bodies together, yes, but they've also in this scene joined spiritually, for lack of a better word.

It's here that they fall in love. A product of the tadpole? Sure, probably, but it doesn't change the depth of their connection, or the fact that no one else has connected with Tav on this deep of a level.

Minthara is a character who is deeply alone and self-reliant. She is now conflicted. She's been connected to Tav, but this is a new feeling for her. It frightens her, and she tries to run away from her feelings by doing the only thing she knows how, by trying to murder Tav to stop herself from being with him.

But she can't. She finds the strength in herself to accept Tav, and this I would argue is the beginning of her character arc.

Unfortunately, she can't just be with Tav. There's the whole matter of the Absolute at Moonrise Towers, which Tav *has* to face in Minthara's estimation. She can't face the Absolute for Tav, so she does the next best thing. She offers Tav the services of her abomination friend who can lead Tav past the dangers to Moonrise.

*

On one hand, I think it's the tadpole. But on the other, I think the tadpole is just a tool, a quickening of something that would have happened anyway. In other words, in the scenario where Tav and Minthara bond, I think it's because they are naturally so compatible and fit for one another. The tadpoles bring them together because they belong together, like messed-up, broken, dysfunctional soul mates.
+1 ... and i think i now understand how you mean that previous coment. laugh


Originally Posted by Niara
you either do nothing and rest, or you violate her mind in a moment of lowered defence.
I would like that option!


Originally Posted by Niara
The funny thing about the dialogues before and after, and surrounding this element of the story, is that what we actually See in game is that Minthara actually has no clue what the Absolute wants, wishes or expects... She's operating on instinct, and ascribing that as divine command, much in the same way that many religious zealots do.
And that is bad thing?
Seems to me like another point for leaving their romance exactly as it is. O_o

Last edited by RagnarokCzD; 24/10/21 09:16 AM.

I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown