Originally Posted by 1varangian
Originally Posted by TheHero
The hardest part in this Battle with the Giths is within your disciplined or not disciplined Brains.
Do you want to cheese or not is the question here.
I find it hard not to cheese a bit at least. By using opportunities to shove when possible and crouch when possible. Also Area effects like Grease are great.
everyone of you know what i mean, we where all down this road several times.
Of course you cheese. The PC's are intelligent adventurers who would milk every resource and tactic to their fullest potential to win. If you are at all roleplaying them, they will cheese to the max. That's why in an RPG gameplay and narrative can't be disconnected.

Also, if I as a player have to consciously play worse, all victories are hollow. Self-control doesn't lead to anything positive in this context no matter how many times someone from the "if you don't like it, don't use it" -camp posts their mantra.

Larian are also throwing impossible enemies at you because they want you to cheese, or exploit some gimmick. But all that does is make normal encounters meaningless.

Cheese doesn't belong in RPG's. Unless it's clever and well matured. Larian cheese isn't.

I disagree here. How is it different from kitting strong mob one character while the others shoot him from a distance.